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Oh, well. Hardly surprising - the far right and the near-far right discuss election deals. If the tories get in, you know that UKIP and possibly even the BNP will be along for the ride.

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Oh, well. Hardly surprising - the far right and the near-far right discuss election deals. If the tories get in, you know that UKIP and possibly even the BNP will be along for the ride.

Well there are more right wing and more left wing Tories but I don't think they're daft enough to make any deals with Griffin's lot. I do find the whole thing rather insulting though. I wasn't about to vote for UKIP but if they aren't putting candidates up because they've done a deal with another party then the people who were going to vote for them are effectively being disenfranchised by a deal done within the 'political elite'. Frankly, I find that bloody outrageous. The essence of democracy is that everyone gets to vote for who they want to, not who the party leaders agree it would be best to allow them to vote for.

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paulzolo wrote:
Oh, well. Hardly surprising - the far right and the near-far right discuss election deals. If the tories get in, you know that UKIP and possibly even the BNP will be along for the ride.

Well there are more right wing and more left wing Tories but I don't think they're daft enough to make any deals with Griffin's lot.


Despite that fact that they seem to be allying themselves with extreme right wing politicians from other countries in the EU. If they are happy with the Polish lot, then they should be fine with some home grown racists too.

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I do find the whole thing rather insulting though. I wasn't about to vote for UKIP but if they aren't putting candidates up because they've done a deal with another party then the people who were going to vote for them are effectively being disenfranchised by a deal done within the 'political elite'. Frankly, I find that bloody outrageous. The essence of democracy is that everyone gets to vote for who they want to, not who the party leaders agree it would be best to allow them to vote for.


This isn’t democracy. It’s oligarch. All the parties are doing deals. The most obvious is the one where they work together against the BNP. That, I think, is the tip of the iceberg.

Watch the general election campaign next year. I suspect that, just like the last two, the message from the three main parties will be nigh on (indistinguishambel best typo of mine ever - I’m keeping it in) indistinguishable, and any attempts to explore any other avenues of interest will be met with short shrift. TO me, this says that all three parties are in cahoots and are not vying for power, but for attention.

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paulzolo wrote:
Oh, well. Hardly surprising - the far right and the near-far right discuss election deals. If the tories get in, you know that UKIP and possibly even the BNP will be along for the ride.

Well there are more right wing and more left wing Tories but I don't think they're daft enough to make any deals with Griffin's lot.


Despite that fact that they seem to be allying themselves with extreme right wing politicians from other countries in the EU. If they are happy with the Polish lot, then they should be fine with some home grown racists too.

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I do find the whole thing rather insulting though. I wasn't about to vote for UKIP but if they aren't putting candidates up because they've done a deal with another party then the people who were going to vote for them are effectively being disenfranchised by a deal done within the 'political elite'. Frankly, I find that bloody outrageous. The essence of democracy is that everyone gets to vote for who they want to, not who the party leaders agree it would be best to allow them to vote for.


This isn’t democracy. It’s oligarch. All the parties are doing deals. The most obvious is the one where they work together against the BNP. That, I think, is the tip of the iceberg.

Watch the general election campaign next year. I suspect that, just like the last two, the message from the three main parties will be nigh on (indistinguishambel best typo of mine ever - I’m keeping it in) indistinguishable, and any attempts to explore any other avenues of interest will be met with short shrift. TO me, this says that all three parties are in cahoots and are not vying for power, but for attention.


i have to agree
its alright to align with the 'ultra' right in Europe but not alright to align with the the same in an election in the UK
that's what you get with the 'Tories' two faces of the same faeces …

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i have to agree
its alright to align with the 'ultra' right in Europe but not alright to align with the the same in an election in the UK
that's what you get with the 'Tories' two faces of the same faeces …

Patently that's because the vast majority of the UK population neither know nor care what goes on in European politics. They don't do that 'at home' because they wouldn't be allowed to get away with it. As long as that holds true, it's some comfort at least.


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Oh, well. Hardly surprising - the far right and the near-far right discuss election deals. If the tories get in, you know that UKIP and possibly even the BNP will be along for the ride.

I wouldn't call UKIP far right. Right to be sure, but not far right.
And there's no way any of them would entertain the BNP.

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paulzolo wrote:
Oh, well. Hardly surprising - the far right and the near-far right discuss election deals. If the tories get in, you know that UKIP and possibly even the BNP will be along for the ride.

I wouldn't call UKIP far right. Right to be sure, but not far right.
And there's no way any of them would entertain the BNP.

No?
http://www.labourlist.org/terry-hipsey- ... s-bnp-pact
http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/news/ ... _blunder_/

The Tories are quite happy to entertain the far right in Europe. UKIP is more right wing than the Tories - they were a Eurosceptic splinter party from the right wing of the Conservative party (via the defunct Referendum Party), and represent a “soft” more acceptable form of xenophobia and protectionism. The BNP also offer xenophobia and protectionism, but are more graphic about their motives.

David Cameron has described them as
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fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukip#The_Conservatives
One of the few things I agree with Cameron. However, he seems less willing to pass similar judgement on his Polish Nazi Cronies.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009 ... tory-links

UKIP also have had loose connections with members of the National Front and The Third Way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukip#Other ... al_parties

So, yes, I feel justified in putting them in the same box as the BNP.

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