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Author: | pcernie [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:54 pm ] | |||||||||
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http://www.techradar.com/news/televisio ... ism-658558
I don't know anyone who has/uses it - anyone here? ![]() |
Author: | ProfessorF [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:58 pm ] |
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Shouldn't this be in the News board? ![]() |
Author: | l3v1ck [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:58 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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Author: | AlunD [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:59 pm ] |
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Its on Freesat anyway ![]() |
Author: | pcernie [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:05 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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I was kinda curious to see just what people made of the service, but I guess it makes no difference ![]() |
Author: | jonbwfc [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:24 pm ] | |||||||||
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Me, although quite a lot of things that should be on HD aren't. The cars look very nice on Top Gear HD. Jon |
Author: | HeatherKay [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:03 pm ] |
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I've got Freesat, but it's only been rigged up properly in the past week. I can't comment on downgrading of the picture quality because it looks superb to me, and I've got nothing to compare it against since ITV is intermittent and I won't pay for Sky or Virgin. Picture quality is going to be variable depending on the style used by the producers of the programmes. To my eye, HD looks superb lingering over landscapes, nature and fine art, but rubbish when anything moves rapidly. I follow the BBC Internet blog, and there was a lot of discussion recently explaining that the change in encoding wasn't done without an awful lot of testing and comparison. I believe the test rig ran the old encoder, the new encoder and feed from the playback system to three HD sets simultaneously, on repeat for a couple of days. The testers watched with the sound down to try to avoid being driven scatty. |
Author: | l3v1ck [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:48 pm ] | |||||||||
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From the BBC's website
Turn out it is different after all. |
Author: | paulzolo [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:07 pm ] | |||||||||
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That’s as much the display as the signal - this is why you are getting 100Hz and 200 (or even 600) displays - they try to reduce the smearing and blurring in rapid movement. On my old CRT TV, which was a 100Hz display, scrolling text would judder quite badly. This seemed to only happen on digital TV. DVDs didn’t exhibit this problem. I have yet to experience HD broadcast (we’ll be doing that in January), but Blu Ray and games on the PS3 fare really well. I’m enjoying Wipeout HD at the moment - it gets quite fast at times. |
Author: | phantombudgie [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:47 am ] |
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I use BBC HD a lot on my laptop (don't actually have a TV) and think the quality is very good indeed, far better than what I was used to seeing on TV. Yes, I see one or two pixellated seconds in half an hour of program, but that's not exactly tragic. I think that reducing the bit rate is a good idea given the restrictions many people face with their broadband, so it makes the service available to more people. For those whining about the quality, shut up and buy the damn show when it comes out on blu-ray. If people are upset that the quality isn't absolutely perfect on their 90-inch projector system they can clearly afford to do this. |
Author: | HeatherKay [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:37 am ] |
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Now I come to think about it, I wonder if this "downgrade" is more to make it easier to fit HD broadcasts into Freeview. There must be tons more bandwidth available through the satellite, but squeezing it down the terrestrial transmitters might be a problem. The solution: halve the quantity but try to keep the quality. |
Author: | veato [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:43 am ] | |||||||||
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People arent moaning about it not being perfect on their 90 inch projector. They're moaning about the quality having reduced over a short period of time because BBC have changed their encoders, and I would wager these people have modest HD TV sets. Having paid the BBC fee (TV license!) and purchased extra kit to view the BBC in HD I expect people are rightly anoyed when the quality is barely better than SD and certainly a reduction in quality over other HD services such as Sky and ITV. The bitrate issue has got nothing to do with broadband. This is primarily dealing with the signal coming over satellite (Sky, FreeSat...). http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/satel ... _rates.php |
Author: | HeatherKay [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:38 am ] | |||||||||
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Well, I'm no expert, but even at the lower bitrate it's still way better than SD. Perhaps people need to look at their setups, or perhaps get their eyes tested. ![]() In fact, since HD equipment is being used to make more programmes, the SD quality has improved markedly recently. Even so, HD is still some way above SD levels, even to my used eyeballs. |
Author: | jonlumb [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:45 am ] |
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It wouldn't surprise me if the vast majority of these issues were caused by incorrect setup. People still seem to be of the somewhat strange opinion that TVs are all Plug and Play devices that require little - no altering. |
Author: | veato [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:05 am ] | |||||||||
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Of course it is. But some people are saying its barely better with the new encoders. And some of these people are tech savvy types on AV forums. Have a look around and see. I also think though its a testament to the quality of some upscaled SD signals too. |
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