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Author:  pcernie [ Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Government must "see sense" over file-sharing
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/broadband/3 ... le-sharing

Quote:
Dunstone's stance was supported by the Open Rights Group, which claims the proposal to disconnect persistent file-sharers is too draconian. "Disconnection is a very harsh and disproportionate punishment," Florian Leppla, a campaigner with the Open Rights Group told PC Pro. "A fine of £50 would be much more proportionate."


Thoughts on any potential fines?
Author:  big_D [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Government must "see sense" over file-sharing
50 quid is too little, like the $2 million is too much.

Making them cough up 50 quid, when they've downloaded a couple of hundred films or music tracks, it is a cheap solution and not a deterrent. :?

Maybe a grand or a couple of grand would be a suitable deterrent...
Author:  veato [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Government must "see sense" over file-sharing
big_D wrote:

Making them cough up 50 quid, when they've downloaded a couple of hundred films or music tracks, it is a cheap solution and not a deterrent. :?



Someone once told me that downloading was not the crime but uploading (and therefore sharing) was. Is that not the case? The same went for the dodgy DVD sellers at the car boot. A cop on some TV program said the punters werent committing a crime buying the DVDs but the sellers were. To be honest I thought it'd be some 'receiving stolen goods' technicality or something.
Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Government must "see sense" over file-sharing
veato wrote:
big_D wrote:

Making them cough up 50 quid, when they've downloaded a couple of hundred films or music tracks, it is a cheap solution and not a deterrent. :?



Someone once told me that downloading was not the crime but uploading (and therefore sharing) was. Is that not the case? The same went for the dodgy DVD sellers at the car boot. A cop on some TV program said the punters werent committing a crime buying the DVDs but the sellers were. To be honest I thought it'd be some 'receiving stolen goods' technicality or something.


If you are on BitTorrent or similar, you are uploading as well as downloading.
Author:  veato [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Government must "see sense" over file-sharing
paulzolo wrote:

If you are on BitTorrent or similar, you are uploading as well as downloading.


I know. Thats not what I was asking though.
Author:  saspro [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Government must "see sense" over file-sharing
veato wrote:
paulzolo wrote:

If you are on BitTorrent or similar, you are uploading as well as downloading.


I know. Thats not what I was asking though.


Uploading is the only illegal bit as you don't have the right to distribute the work. The same goes for copying a CD to your PC as you bought a licence to listen to the music on that CD & not a licence to allow you to change the media format.

That's why they used to go after websites that hosted the files as they were the only people breaking the law
Author:  nvj1662 [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Government must "see sense" over file-sharing
How about this blanket £500 ?

Piracy letter campaign 'nets innocents'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8481790.stm

BTW: Does anyone here *know* whether "copyright infringement " is a civil or criminal matter ?
Author:  pcernie [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Government must "see sense" over file-sharing
nvj1662 wrote:
How about this blanket £500 ?

Piracy letter campaign 'nets innocents'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8481790.stm

BTW: Does anyone here *know* whether "copyright infringement " is a civil or criminal matter ?


Before, I'd probably have said 'civil' if forced to guess, but these days I haven't a clue :?
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