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Author:  Linux_User [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Argentina Toughens Shipping Rules in Falklands Oil Row

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Argentina Toughens Shipping Rules in Falklands Oil Row

Argentina has announced new controls on shipping through its waters to the Falkland Islands in a growing dispute over British oil drilling plans.

A permit will be needed by ships using Argentine waters en route to the Falklands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands - all UK controlled.

The UK Foreign Office said the Falkland Islands' waters were controlled by its authorities and would not be affected.

Argentina has protested to the UK about oil exploration due to begin this year.

Buenos Aires claims sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, which it calls Islas Malvinas.

Last week, a ship carrying drilling equipment was detained by Argentine officials.

BBC world affairs correspondent Peter Biles says Argentine anger has been "brewing for a while".

"The sabre-rattling over oil in the South Atlantic is just the latest episode in a dispute that's remained unresolved since the Falklands War nearly 28 years ago," he said.

After Argentina's invasion of the islands in 1982, a UK taskforce seized back control in a short war that claimed the lives of 649 Argentine and 255 British soldiers.

'Defence of resources'

On Tuesday, Argentine President Cristina Fernandez signed a decree requiring all vessels travelling between Argentina and the islands, or those that want to cross Argentine territorial waters en route to the Falklands, to seek prior permission.

Cabinet Chief Anibal Fernandez said the decree sought to achieve "not only a defence of Argentine sovereignty but also of all the resources" in the area.

He said the measure also applied to vessels going to the other nearby UK-controlled islands in the South Atlantic - South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands.

It is not clear whether Argentina intends waters surrounding the disputed islands, considered part of the British Overseas Territories, to be subject to the new controls.

"Regulations governing Argentine territorial waters are a matter for the Argentine authorities," the UK Foreign Office said in a statement.

"This does not affect Falkland Islands territorial waters which are controlled by the island authorities."

It added that the UK and Argentina were "important partners" with a "close and productive relationship".

"We want, and have offered, to co-operate on South Atlantic issues. We will work to develop this relationship further," the statement said.

A drilling rig from the Scottish highlands, the Ocean Guardian, is due to arrive this week and drilling could begin within months.

Geologists think the South Atlantic ocean bed surrounding the Falklands could contain rich energy reserves.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/w ... 518982.stm


Someone had better drag the Royal Navy out of mothballs. :?

Author:  bobbdobbs [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina Steps Up Falklands Row Over Oil

Linux_User wrote:
Someone had better drag the Royal Navy out of mothballs. :?

Too late this government has sold most of it to Chile and India.

Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina Steps Up Falklands Row Over Oil

bobbdobbs wrote:
Linux_User wrote:
Someone had better drag the Royal Navy out of mothballs. :?

Too late this government has sold most of it to Chile and India.


With us so committed to Afghanistan and Iraq, could we even cope if Argentina tries another grab of the Falklands?

Author:  bobbdobbs [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina Steps Up Falklands Row Over Oil

paulzolo wrote:
bobbdobbs wrote:
Linux_User wrote:
Someone had better drag the Royal Navy out of mothballs. :?

Too late this government has sold most of it to Chile and India.


With us so committed to Afghanistan and Iraq, could we even cope if Argentina tries another grab of the Falklands?


Probably not but we could send them copies of the Sun with a certain headline and a reminder we still have subs that can wipe there navy out :twisted:

Author:  l3v1ck [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina Toughens Shipping Rules in Falklands Oil Row

I'm surprised the sneaky buggers haven't invaded them again.
They know all our forces are tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan. The navy has phased out the sea harrier so we only have the RAF ones left, one of our carriers is mothballed, we've cut back on our naval strength, our new Astute and Type 45's are still undergoing trials and aren't available for war yet. The QE class carriers won't be available for at least five years.
Now is the perfect time for them.

Author:  belchingmatt [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:00 pm ]
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The international boundary is up to 200 miles from the coast, and as the Falklands are only just over 200 from Argentina then the joint boundary would be about 100 miles between the two. I hope Argentina aren't thinking of detaining ships in anything other than their own waters.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:30 pm ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
The QE class carriers won't be available for at least five years.
Now is the perfect time for them.

The new QE carriers now look like a necessity.

Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:37 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
l3v1ck wrote:
The QE class carriers won't be available for at least five years.
Now is the perfect time for them.

The new QE carriers now look like a necessity.


along with a few new type 45 destroyers
supported by the older 42 type destroyers with added support from type 22 & 23 frigates
a few subs and assault ships and 'here we go' again and lets hope all our harriers are not in moth balls

but more importantly lets hope that oil is there …

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:15 pm ]
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Problem is that David Cameron may be desperate enough to let the Falklands get invaded again to get re elected. Hopefully we will see through that this time. :oops:

Author:  l3v1ck [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:40 pm ]
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MrStevenRogers wrote:
supported by the older 42 type destroyers

Their Sea Dart missiles are obsolete. They weren't even that effective the first time round.

Author:  ShockWaffle [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina Toughens Shipping Rules in Falklands Oil Row

l3v1ck wrote:
I'm surprised the sneaky buggers haven't invaded them again.
They know all our forces are tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan. The navy has phased out the sea harrier so we only have the RAF ones left, one of our carriers is mothballed, we've cut back on our naval strength, our new Astute and Type 45's are still undergoing trials and aren't available for war yet. The QE class carriers won't be available for at least five years.
Now is the perfect time for them.


Actually it's the worst possible time. Strategically speaking, the US couldn't possibly allow one of its major allies in Afghanistan to suffer any form of attack from, as it were, the rear. They wouldn't fight Argentina for us, but they would do everything short of that. They might even feel it necessary to join in properly - not to get their hands on the oil (some quid pro quo would be expected though), but because other allies of theirs are under threat, and if belligerent nationalist one party states like Russia and China saw the US backing away from a conflict to support one key ally, they would likely get ideas about how to approach others such as former communist countries and Taiwan.

Argentina also has the small problem of international financing, which has been very difficult for them since they defaulted on some bonds a few years back. War is very expensive and they would have to find foreign buyers for government bonds in order to fight us for more than a couple of weeks (those oil fields won't pay off for a decade or two, if ever). But Argentina can't sell those bonds, and the threat of further defaults, especially if they lost the war, would push the costs of financing beyond their reach.

Author:  eddie543 [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina Toughens Shipping Rules in Falklands Oil Row

l3v1ck wrote:
I'm surprised the sneaky buggers haven't invaded them again.
They know all our forces are tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan. The navy has phased out the sea harrier so we only have the RAF ones left, one of our carriers is mothballed, we've cut back on our naval strength, our new Astute and Type 45's are still undergoing trials and aren't available for war yet. The QE class carriers won't be available for at least five years.
Now is the perfect time for them.

Well we've got lots of troops knocking about unused.
35,000 territorials.
We have:
3,700 troops in saudi arabia, kuwait and oman.
Two battalions in cyprus
an infantry group and engineer company on the falklands
An infantry battalion in gibralter
1000 troops in sierra leone
a battalion in brunei
And a grand total of 20,000 infantry in germany
So 25,000 knocking about in overseas territories ouside of afganistan and Iraq

plus a load of infantry a home.

Author:  eddie543 [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina Toughens Shipping Rules in Falklands Oil Row

And I think we should increase our presence there naval and millitary in the mean time and start drilling for oil.

Author:  l3v1ck [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina Toughens Shipping Rules in Falklands Oil Row

ShockWaffle wrote:
Actually it's the worst possible time. Strategically speaking, the US couldn't possibly allow one of its major allies in Afghanistan to suffer any form of attack from, as it were, the rear.
Not much they could do about it. Public opinion is currently against wars in America. Only the UK could take action without a UN resolution calling for war and we wouldn't want to wait for that as that would give them time to dig in. Plus our "special relationship" with the USA isn't as strong as it was when Bush and Blair were in power.

Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina Toughens Shipping Rules in Falklands Oil Row

l3v1ck wrote:
ShockWaffle wrote:
Actually it's the worst possible time. Strategically speaking, the US couldn't possibly allow one of its major allies in Afghanistan to suffer any form of attack from, as it were, the rear.
Not much they could do about it. Public opinion is currently against wars in America. Only the UK could take action without a UN resolution calling for war and we wouldn't want to wait for that as that would give them time to dig in. Plus our "special relationship" with the USA isn't as strong as it was when Bush and Blair were in power.


And then it only went one way.

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