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David Cameron has vowed to end what he calls Labour's "spendaholic culture" of waste and show that "good government costs less with the Conservatives".

Speaking at the Welsh Conservative conference, the Tory leader pledged to save money and improve public services by cutting bureaucracy and giving decision-making powers to local communities and frontline public servants.

"Let me make clear: we are not offering a simple efficiency drive," Mr Cameron said.

"What we propose is something entirely different - something so bold and radical I would call it a whole new type of government.

"We're going to shape government in a way it has never existed before, so we use our instincts as Conservatives, our understanding of how people and communities really work and the latest technology to deliver more for less."

Mr Cameron highlighted plans to publish every item of government expenditure over £25,000 online as an example of how the Conservatives will crack down on wasteful spending.

"It will mean an army of armchair auditors will be crawling all over the books, scrutinising them and acting as a straitjacket on wasteful spending," he said.

"It will mean the minister who lazily signs off a monster contract without checking if he could get it cheaper will be caught out and will have to answer for himself."

Mr Cameron promised to "take apart the centralised apparatus of command and control" in public services, to allow doctors, nurses, teachers and police officers drive improvements to the way money is spent.

He attacked Labour spending by citing the £4.5bn annual cost of NHS bureaucracy, the £10m in tax credits wrongly aid to people who were dead and the £3bn cost of benefit fraud and error.

"Their spendaholic culture isn't a diverting amusement or a mild irritation - it is a complete outrage and we will obliterate it," Mr Cameron said.

Today's speech in Llandudno comes after a poll suggesting Labour had stretched its lead over the Tories in Wales to eight points.

The ITV Wales/YouGov survey put Labour on 37% and Conservatives on 29%.


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If they really wanted to stop the wasteful culture then they could insist that all government contracts are published before hand so that competitors can come in with new bids. All PFI and PPP contracts are to be published before signing for the same scrutiny.

A better system that stops waste is to allow departments to actually hold on to any surpluses that they generate. At the moment if they have any money left over that goes back to central government and next years budget is cut. So there is an actual incentive to waste it rather than it being cut off next years budget.

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A better system that stops waste is to allow departments to actually hold on to any surpluses that they generate. At the moment if they have any money left over that goes back to central government and next years budget is cut. So there is an actual incentive to waste it rather than it being cut off next years budget.

Totally agree but can prove very handy some times for some people :D

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Who let him in? Get the f**k out of my country you smarmy arrogant bastard, you're not welcome here. Your band of merry Eatonites have screwed us over once before and have done immeasurable damage to Wales that we're still trying to put right. He knows nothing about running the UK and knows even less about Wales.

He also has no concept of how small £25,000 is in the NHS, with treatments for certain eye diseases costing up to a grand per eye per treatment. What he'd do is "cut costs" by letting people go blind unless they could afford to pay for it privately. He's complete and utter scum and a malignant growth on the arse of humanity.

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He's complete and utter scum and a malignant growth on the arse of humanity.


Gav, don't hold back. Don't be afraid to let it all out. We can handle it.

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He also has no concept of how small £25,000 is in the NHS, with treatments for certain eye diseases costing up to a grand per eye per treatment. What he'd do is "cut costs" by letting people go blind unless they could afford to pay for it privately. He's complete and utter scum and a malignant growth on the arse of humanity.

I seriously doubt that it will ever be used in connection with any medical treatment. There was a case of a person who had a serious car accident and the BBC were reporting on the NHS. His combined treatment was several hundred thousand pounds. They could not hold up any urgent treatment for approval. That would be a disaster.

What the spending disclosure is for is to see if cleaning contracts or equipment purchases could be done cheaper. If the trusts had more members of the general public in and fewer appointees then there could be an end to the non jobs that are created.

If the government really want to clamp down on waste in spending, break the budgets down into their components. A hospital should have a wages budget, an admin budget, a consumables budget for drugs and other such items, and a capital budget for buildings and equipment. Only the capital and consumable budgets can be rolled over for future years. Then when governments want to support the service but without increasing wages they can add money to the consumables budget and capital budgets and freeze the wages and admin budgets. That way if they want to support upgrading of equipment without it being diverted to doctors or admin pay then they have such means. If a department is efficient in its use of consumables then it could transfer some of that surplus to the capital budget so they can buy a new machine or new wing if they had the funds. That way there is a benefit of not being wasteful.

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He's complete and utter scum and a malignant growth on the arse of humanity.


Gav, don't hold back. Don't be afraid to let it all out. We can handle it.


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What the spending disclosure is for is to see if cleaning contracts or equipment purchases could be done cheaper. If the trusts had more members of the general public in and fewer appointees then there could be an end to the non jobs that are created.



£25k is still bugger all, it is still only the cost of two cleaners for a year, assuming they're earning £12,500 a year.

What it will do is require a civil servant to trawl these contracts and publish them - costing another annual salary on its own. If they're being published in the local press, that's another few hundred quid, even up to a thousand depending on the publication. That tw&& is wasting money before he's even got the job.

What tw&&face is spinning but failing to notice is that the public sector has been downsizing for a few years already Clicky. There are already areas of work without staff to work on them appearing all over the place, so any cuts he makes are going to hurt people on the receiving end of these services. Clicky

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I just agreed with Gav.....


... twice.

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I just agreed with Gav.....


... twice.

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It's the Apple effect, I think. :lol:

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What the spending disclosure is for is to see if cleaning contracts or equipment purchases could be done cheaper. If the trusts had more members of the general public in and fewer appointees then there could be an end to the non jobs that are created.



£25k is still bugger all, it is still only the cost of two cleaners for a year, assuming they're earning £12,500 a year.

What it will do is require a civil servant to trawl these contracts and publish them - costing another annual salary on its own. If they're being published in the local press, that's another few hundred quid, even up to a thousand depending on the publication. That tw&& is wasting money before he's even got the job.

What tw&&face is spinning but failing to notice is that the public sector has been downsizing for a few years already Clicky. There are already areas of work without staff to work on them appearing all over the place, so any cuts he makes are going to hurt people on the receiving end of these services. Clicky

Any thing like a cleaning contract will be substantially larger and within the remit of this law.

It is for smaller deals that this will be important, like last minute roof repair. Though with the state of PFI contracts these are not negotiable anyway. Yes it might mean one more administrator but over how big a site. I doubt that your local GP's medical centre will need that much extra paperwork. Though clarity in contracts before they are signed are more important. The problem is that many businesses look at the government as a big pot of money to fleece at any opportunity. If the PFI had been published before being signed then they would have been seen to be wasteful. The PFI process was simply to drive the expenditure of the government balance sheet. Though this had been banned for companies as a result of Enron. So why should governments be allowed to do this. That loophole has been closed and all the PFI debts will come back on to the governments accounts.

As for cuts to front line services that will happen if he cuts as deep as he is forced to. Overall Cameron would be a disaster.

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Who let him in? Get the f**k out of my country you smarmy arrogant bastard, you're not welcome here. Your band of merry Eatonites have screwed us over once before and have done immeasurable damage to Wales that we're still trying to put right. He knows nothing about running the UK and knows even less about Wales.

He also has no concept of how small £25,000 is in the NHS, with treatments for certain eye diseases costing up to a grand per eye per treatment. What he'd do is "cut costs" by letting people go blind unless they could afford to pay for it privately. He's complete and utter scum and a malignant growth on the arse of humanity.


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Not all managers are inept. Part of the problem is that many organisations promote people who are simply incompetent at a managerial level simply because they have seniority or know the organisation well.

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Not all managers are inept. Part of the problem is that many organisations promote people who are simply incompetent at a managerial level simply because they have seniority or know the organisation well.

I think this is true. I've been working for over 20 years, and dealt closely with hundreds of different companies in addition to working for companies varying in scale from huge multinationals (Lucent) to the relatively tiny outfit I'm now with.

There is a certain kind of arse-covering incompetent middle management you see time and time again. They value neither the interests of the company nor the employees. They know they are useless and spend all their highly stressed days trying to justify their own pointless existence. These are very tragic people, and many of them take out their bitterness on those they have power over. They make everyone's job more difficult and frustrating by needlessly obfuscating the truth and obstructing progress at every turn. They have stomach ulcers and retire early from mental breakdown or heart disease. Their wives and children despise them. They are pitiful.

However, this is not the only kind of manager. I've had some very good line managers who worked hard to create an efficient, productive and comfortable environment for those doing the work.

In my current position, there is no middle management. I answer to the directors who built the company from nothing with their own sweat, and I have great respect for what they have achieved. They also treat me with respect, and go out of their way to ensure the people they employ are well looked after. Although there are only half a dozen employees, I believe we out perform my significantly larger previous company both in terms of number of customers and quality of service provided. This is the result of good management, and I'm very happy to share a few beers with these guys.

Managers are a lot like teachers. There are the inspiring, the evil and everything between.

I'm not sure how many inspirational politicians there are alive today, mind. I certainly can't think of one.

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My father told me about an example that he knew of. A very good salesman who had been with the company for years and was pretty much able to seal most deals expected to become the sales manager. He was the best salesman but the worst sales manager. The company could not keep him as sales manager but moved him sideways to a key accounts manager. The problem was that sales managers really are just motivators and organisers. Yet they get paid more than a top sales man. That is wrong, They do not generate sales and if they mismanage their sales force they can actually lower sales, and for that they are generally over paid. Purely because they are believed to be above salesmen.

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