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Households face fines for not recycling 'almost everything they throw'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthn ... throw.html

It would help tremendously if they banned non recyclable packaging.

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Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:20 pm
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I've actually had my recycling collected twice this year so far. If I actually run out of room in the bin they give me because they can't be arsed to collect it, there'll be trouble if they think they can fine me for not recycling anything I'm left with.


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I've actually had my recycling collected twice this year so far. If I actually run out of room in the bin they give me because they can't be arsed to collect it, there'll be trouble if they think they can fine me for not recycling anything I'm left with.


The article didn't mention anything like a one strike approach, and bearing in mind your exceptional circumstances I'm sure you would have nothing to worry about.

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If too much goes to landfill then Local Authorities get fined already. Perhaps if the fines were passed on to householders then people might actually care (Cornwall is one area that consistently goes over the limit).

Of course the right recycling policy always helps - in Cardiff almost everything will be collected from the roadside, and it can all go into a single green bag. Anything that's not recyclable goes into the black bin and food waste is also recycled. This meant on average in a week I'd throw out one bag of general rubbish, a bag of recycling (collected fortnightly) and a bag of food waste.

In Cornwall you have to sort everything yourself - paper in a red bag, a limited array of plastic (far less than collected in Cardiff) into a box and another bag for glass. If it's not sorted correctly then they don't collect it, and if there's too much they won't collect it either. Everything else, including food waste, goes into the black bin. This means we throw far more than we recycle.

I'm starting to think the LGA should issue guidance as to what constitutes a "best practice" recycling policy - because IMO authorities such as Cardiff have the right approach and authorities such as Cornwall (which is a piss poor excuse for a council anyway) really don't have a clue.

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I'm starting to think the LGA should issue guidance as to what constitutes a "best practice" recycling policy - because IMO authorities such as Cardiff have the right approach and authorities such as Cornwall (which is a piss poor excuse for a council anyway) really don't have a clue.


How much guidance do you need. In Oz I was always telling people not to put pizza boxes in the recycling bin. Why Because there's a fcuking big sticker on the bin saying no pizza boxes. :roll:

There are many people who can read and follow instruction, but for the lack of intelligence or laziness of the rest there will be somebody paying a penalty.

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I'm starting to think the LGA should issue guidance as to what constitutes a "best practice" recycling policy - because IMO authorities such as Cardiff have the right approach and authorities such as Cornwall (which is a piss poor excuse for a council anyway) really don't have a clue.


How much guidance do you need. In Oz I was always telling people not to put pizza boxes in the recycling bin. Why Because there's a fcuking big sticker on the bin saying no pizza boxes. :roll:

There are many people who can read and follow instruction, but for the lack of intelligence or laziness of the rest there will be somebody paying a penalty.


I was talking about guidance to local authorities, not individuals. TBH I don't know what pizza boxes are made of in Oz, but if a council didn't recycle the cardboard ones you get in Britain then that's a pretty poor showing.

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Cardboard with grease and food is basically contaminated. It could probably be recycled but not to the same grade as untainted material, therefore the value drops and it may be cheaper to pay the landfill fine (depending on local laws).

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Cardboard with grease and food is basically contaminated. It could probably be recycled but not to the same grade as untainted material, therefore the value drops and it may be cheaper to pay the landfill fine (depending on local laws).


Cheaper maybe, but then it's not the expense that the EU is worried about, it's the impact on the environment.

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A joke for the older forum members there.

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Cardboard with grease and food is basically contaminated. It could probably be recycled but not to the same grade as untainted material, therefore the value drops and it may be cheaper to pay the landfill fine (depending on local laws).

Yes but if there is a tainted but flammable box for such items, then these can be burnt for power. Overall though far too many things come in packaging that is not recyclable. Plastic in my area is not recycled.

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Yes but if there is a tainted but flammable box for such items, then these can be burnt for power.

The councils will want to save or make much money as possible from the waste they collect. Tainted cardboard can be burnt but clean cardboard is probably better value for them them. The councils weigh up the cost of collection / recycle + landfill / landfill fines and then decides on the best economic option for them, it has very little to do with the environment until election time.

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Yes but if there is a tainted but flammable box for such items, then these can be burnt for power.

The councils will want to save or make much money as possible from the waste they collect. Tainted cardboard can be burnt but clean cardboard is probably better value for them them. The councils weigh up the cost of collection / recycle + landfill / landfill fines and then decides on the best economic option for them, it has very little to do with the environment until election time.

Yes I agree though while I am all for greener solutions it should be the sensible choice It might mean that the landfill tax has to rise substantially but the problem I see is that businesses are already hit by a lot of taxes and fees from councils. My local newsagent has to pay £200 for an annual refuse license and then £5 a bin collection. We as a nation are tackling the problem from the wrong end. The end user has probably no choice in the packing. Yet they get left with clean up. I still think that all packaging should be recyclable and enforced by law. Then the bins would not need to be so big or collected so often. Then the fines would really only hit those that make no efforts to sort their waste.

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I still think that all packaging should be recyclable and enforced by law.


Efforts are being made in this regard, for example see the EU Packaging Directive (Directive 94/62/EC).

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As I've said before, if you go back just a few generations there was no rubbish collection and no landfill as such.

Before plastics, the only persistent waste was bones and pottery. Neither are harmful and both can be recycled.

Mankind has been around for how many generations? It's only those alive today and our immediate forefathers that created this unbelievable destruction of our home planet.

When I see bins overflowing, it makes me want to cry at just the selfish callous disregard for society and all human kind. By all means offer incentives to recycle, but all landfill must end whatever the inconvenience. Petty convenience is not worth raping our children's future for.

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