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pcernie
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Met Police Sgt Delroy Smellie denies a charge of common assault on Nicola Fisher, 36, of Brighton, at the G20 demonstration in London in April 2009.
The officer told City of Westminster Magistrates' Court he feared objects in her hand were weapons.
The court has been told Ms Fisher was holding a carton of orange juice.
The 47-year-old officer told the court he initially struck the animal rights activist across the face in a move which he described as a "clearance strike".
He said the clash changed the mood of others and he grabbed his metal extendable baton, known as an asp, as the crowd closed in and he was left isolated. Experience does not negate your ability to feel threatened Sgt Delroy Smellie
The court heard the senior territorial support group officer then struck Ms Fisher with it when she surged towards him again.
He said he feared objects in her hands could be used as weapons against him.
Asked how hard he hit Ms Fisher, Sgt Smellie replied he was aware she was "significantly smaller".
"However it had to be enough to achieve the objective of negating the threat," he added.
Sgt Smellie told the court he could not remember hitting Ms Fisher a second time, but said his reasons for doing so would have been the same as the first.
'Extremely good officer'
The prosecution allege Sgt Smellie went beyond his legal powers by striking Ms Fisher twice across the leg with the baton.
The clash was caught by several photographs and on video, which was posted on the website YouTube.
Sgt Smellie added: "Even though we have seen umpteen numbers of the video slowed down, it was not slow in reality.
"This was a real situation. It was real time.
"This was fast moving and as much experience as I have, I still felt threatened within the short period of time.
"Experience does not negate your ability to feel threatened."
Earlier, Sgt Smellie's superior Insp Derek Renton described him as an "extremely good officer".
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8585555.stm
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Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:35 am |
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jonlumb
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Saw the video clip of this on the news last night. From my (somewhat ignorant) view, it did look like the officer took one measured strike and then stopped. It was a long way from the beatings that have happened in the past for sure.
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Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:58 am |
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Helsing
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Yet at the same time, said strike looked almost entirely pre-meditated, not the kind of strike you give when you're afraid someone might have a weapon. I don't believe him, and whilst not a supporter of the girl's cause, think the book needs to be thrown at him. Though that she refuses to give evidence makes me  , it's not like she's getting moral highground by doing so.
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Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:34 am |
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Amnesia10
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He pushed one person then pulled out his stick to hit her, and it was clearly not motivated by fear. It was assault. He should be prosecuted and that he should then be thrown out of the force.
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Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:50 am |
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belchingmatt
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She kept on going back for more and then held her hand up with something in it... With the crowd baying I'm not surprised the officer felt threatened.
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Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:56 am |
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Amnesia10
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Well he must be a coward to be afraid of an orange juice carton. Not matter how much she mouthed off, assaulting someone is a criminal act.
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Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:13 am |
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pcernie
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I don't know the ins and outs, but there could have been a bit more than orange juice in it 
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Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:09 am |
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Amnesia10
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Yes but you could always ask the person to drink it. I do not think that there is a liquid drinkable Semtex yet. 
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Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:15 am |
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pcernie
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Not in the middle of a demo/riot you couldn't 
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Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:43 pm |
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Amnesia10
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I will accept that. But he said he felt threatened.  Wow she is so much shorter than him. She does not even come up to his shoulder. He must have thought that she was a ninja or something.
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jonbwfc
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So let me get this straight : It's OK for a policeman to hit you if he fears the liquid you're carrying in a paper receptacle (for christs's sake) might actually be toxic, despite having no evidence as to whether it is or not or indeed any apparent intent on your part to throw it at them or pour it over them? It's rubbish. Frankly if he's intimidated by a girl with a carton of orange juice, he has no place in the police force anyway. I'm amazed he's able to leave the house. No. It's a postfacto justification for him doing something in a panic. Which anyway you look at it is a very bad thing. Whether he should be prosecuted or not I don't really care either way but I do know the last thing you need in a protest situation is coppers who go to pieces under pressure. If there's one thing that is going to tip a protest over into a riot its a copper hitting a protester who doesn't appear to be hitting the copper first. what you need in protest situations is coppers who can contain the situation, not do stupid unnecessary things which will enflame it. Prosecuted? Not sure, probably won't be. Sacked? Abso-bloody-lutely. He could have got people killed.
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Amnesia10
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He should be convicted even if non custodial, but also sacked.
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Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:27 pm |
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belchingmatt
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One squirt of lemon juice in the eye is bad enough, let alone a carton of orange juice.
There are lots of differing articles and witness opinion available. I'm happy for the courts to decide, which they haven't done yet.
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Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:41 pm |
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pcernie
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I was actually thinking along the lines of other irritants, and even p1ss 
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Female ninja assassins FTW! Oh, but wait, you can see her. Not a very good ninja then. (8+( Mark
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