So, more wobbly climate change data then?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8589512.stm

Sceptical geologists like me are getting less and less scorn these days thanks to stuff like this.

I've long been sceptical of this "climate change" that's being shoved down our throats.

I've been re-reading Bill Bryson's A Short History of Nearly Everything. One passage mentions even the most powerful computers cannot predict the path the particles of smoke will take after the initial laminar flow. This is cigarette smoke. If we cannot predict this, we cannot (IMO) predict the future climate.

What you can do, however, is analyse long-term trends.

Still doesn't matter. Basic chaos theory; the fact something has done something (or been heading towards something) in an indeterminate system doesn't mean it won't suddenly change direction. Just look at some of the 3D graphs of basic strange attractors, they show it quite neatly.
The people who make claims as to climate change may be right. They may not be. The fundamental point is they have no method of proving or indeed even measuring the validity of their predictions in any objective way over any period of more than a few days. It's all more or less guesswork. we'll only know if they're right or not when we get there.

However, I'm reminded of the observation someone made about the existence of God. He may or may not exist but you might as well act as if he does, because if he doesn't then you've not done any real harm but if he does exist and you've acted like he doesn't then you're in trouble. Equally, even if the climate change predictions are wrong, reducing our reliance on hydrocarbon fuels is still a good thing in the long run, so we should probably do it anyway.

Such great wisdom in this post. Thank you.

Agreed it is better to operate as if it is the case. That way you have not made it any worse. Also a few percentage cuts now in carbon now is the same as a huge cut later on.

I agree on people not doing any real harm, but unless God does exist and he's got one hell (no pun intended) of a good excuse for his actions and that of some of his lieutenants, he's a fcuking scrote and I won't bow to him no matter what

+1 on being more efficient in general

Have you considered becoming a Jedi?

This is a good analogy, because bad things are done in the name of both "religions".

You shouldn't need "God" to tell you to be "nice". It's the humanitarian thing to do.

You shouldn't need "Global Warming" to tell you to conserve resources for future generations. It's the humanitarian thing to do.

You shouldn't kill, persecute and demean people in the name of "God" - but it happens. Many people are selfish, perverse and misguided.

You shouldn't lie, steal, cheat and defraud in the name of "Global Warming" - but it happens. Many people are selfish, perverse and misguided.

I can just see it now - 'That's all well and good, but are you a Protestant or a Catholic Jedi?'

And I fear I don't know enough about Star Wars. Also, George Lucas seems to have lost any talent he had many years ago. Possibly in a galaxy far far away by the look of it

Actually it is more primal than that. They have done tests with primates and find that sharing is actually common amongst monkeys and apes even if they are not related.


Also the sensible thing to do. If you have no resources then as an country you are in trouble. So better to conserve as much as possible.


Definitely very misguided if you kill in the name of your religion. I think that all of them have peace as a core of the religion. I could be wrong.


These people are called politicians, or scumbags.

Well you can be a Protestant or Catholic Jedi, but the core thing is that you watch the religious programs, Star Wars The Clone wars or any of the films as often as possible.

The last three are like something you'd torture Gitmo detainees with from what I've seen, so no thanks

The last 3 films are a bit rubbish, especially the first, but no2 is ok and seeing Anakin 'turn' in no3 had me going all kinds of crazy. That was awesome.


Edit : Gulf Stream ------> Star War Prequel Trilogy. Epic thread hijack!