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pcernie
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Amnesia10
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There are too many flaws in this bill. I am glad that they have spoken out on this.
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Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:53 pm |
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LaptopAcidXperience
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It's a pity there are only six LibDem MPs, otherwise they might have a chance of kicking it out.
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:50 pm |
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rustybucket
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:10 pm Posts: 5836
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There are 63
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timark_uk
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:11 pm Posts: 12143 Location: Belfast
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This is the first solid item of manifesto that I've read about that get's my interest. It's not enough to get my vote, but it's certainly enough to get me interested.
Mark
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:21 pm |
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timark_uk
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Just to add, I'd be interested to know what part/s of the DEB the Lib. Dems. take issue with.
Mark
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:22 pm |
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Linux_User
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In this case it's the lack of Parliamentary debate, though they did also oppose Clause 17.
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:25 pm |
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timark_uk
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:11 pm Posts: 12143 Location: Belfast
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Well that's fair enough, but if that's the only issue they have with it then it's not enough. There's clauses/sections that need rewriting for clarification and probably some that need scrapping totally. Mark
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:30 pm |
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rustybucket
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Erm... off the top of my head - I've got the bill text in front of me but I can't remember which particular clauses are problematic Site Blocking Access restriction Disconnection Accusation = guilt The Secretary of State being allowed to amend the Copyright act without reference to parliament Edit: Found this here |  |  |  | Quote: It’s a long text, setting out why our MPs feel parts of the Bill – on areas such as Channel 4 and regional TV – merit support; and why they want to balance internet freedom with support for the creative industries. So there is no commitment to vote against the Bill as a whole. But ... the LibDem DCMS team do acknowledge that further debate is definitely required. “The controversial parts of the Bill will need to be scrutinised and voted upon by the next parliament before they can be brought into law. Liberal Democrats MPs would not support these sections of the Bill without this process.”
The logic of that is that LibDem MPs will vote against those elements in the washup, if only because there’s been no debate. We’ll expect them to stick to that.
The highlight for me is clear opposition to web-blocking: “We do not believe that measures to address site blocking can reasonably be included in the Digital Economy Bill and we will not support any such measures”.
So we have the keenly-awaited clear assurance that Liberal Democrat MPs, as a party, not just individual rebels, will vote against web-blocking in the Digital Economy Bill (better late than never)....
... On disconnection, the position is less absolute. “The Liberal Democrats are unconvinced of the merits of measures such as temporary account suspension or bandwidth throttling” and propose a set of technical measures, to be met before any disconnection would be possible; the main ones are that copyright infringers would be notified by letter, without any risk of their internet connection being affected for at least a year, and that any process to disconnect users explicitly assumes their innocence until they are proven guilty.
Another concern our motion highlighted was the threat to wifi and community access. The MPs pick that up as an issue too: “We believe there is inadequate protection in the Bill for schools, libraries, universities and other businesses offering internet access to the public” and they promise “We will take further action in the Commons to improve the legislation.”
On copyright they assert “We have already opposed – and helped defeat – government proposals to give itself powers to change copyright law almost at will. We will oppose any attempt to reinstate such powers in the Commons.” They also call on the industries concerned about copyright “to develop easy and affordable ways to legally access their products” so that “disconnection is never required”. |  |  |  |  |
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F_A_F
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:52 pm Posts: 266 Location: Truro
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The sad thing is that most people will vote for a party with no real opposition just because they think it's the only way to "Get Gordon Out (tm)".....
If more people voted because they approved of policies like this, maybe we'd have a government to be proud of...
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:59 pm |
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rustybucket
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okenobi
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:59 pm Posts: 4932 Location: Sestriere, Piemonte, Italia
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The "maybe" there is seriously understated. The lizards (or whoever the the real power is) are gonna be runnin tings for a while yet.
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:39 pm |
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Amnesia10
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I would say all of them. One is that censorship is now the normal basis, secondly end of presumption of innocence. Then you have punishment before guilt is proved. Then you have a law that can be changed without parliamentary approval. Next will be selection of the minister from the BPI on the basis of support for a party.
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:55 pm |
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LaptopAcidXperience
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Joined: Fri May 08, 2009 10:01 am Posts: 433 Location: Harrogate
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I people write that voting is going to make a difference, you'd have more impact by spoiling your ballot paper.
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Amnesia10
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Unless there is a mass spoiling of ballots then there will be no effect. Until we have a none of the above on the ballot paper the best option is to vote for who you most want. At least it will someway towards encouraging PR in elections.
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