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Author:  pcernie [ Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:18 am ]
Post subject:  'Attacks On Vatican As Bad As Anti-Semitism'

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World- ... 2029?f=rss

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As the scandal has rolled on, it was revealed that the pope himself once helped get housing for a clergyman accused of child sex abuse in his former diocese of Munich.

Hitting out at the claims, the Vatican has accused the media of an "ignoble" attempt to smear the pope.


Erm, by questioning what he thought he was at and what he knew, all of which has received nothing but vague answers?

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Speaking during a "Passion of the Lord" service on the day Christians commemorate Jesus' death by crucifixion, Father Cantalamessa said Jews throughout history had been the victims of "collective violence".

And in pointing out that the Jewish Passover and Christian Easter have fallen in same week this year, he compared anti-Semitism to the current attacks on the Church.

He went on to read the congregation an excerpt from a letter he received from a Jewish friend, who said he was "following with disgust the violent and concentric attacks against the Church".

"The use of stereotypes, the shifting of personal responsibility and guilt to a collective guilt remind me of the most shameful aspects of anti-Semitism," he quoted from the letter.


Go fcuk yourself. There's nothing violent or centred about the so-called 'attacks' - it's the media and the public wanting answers on questions of widespread perversion :evil:

And the use of stereotypes? Even if that is going on, and I haven't seen it, who's fault is the stereotype of a paedo priest? :roll:

'What do you mean you were raped by a priest? Why, that's just stereotyping!'

'The shifting of personal responsibility and guilt to a collective guilt' is precisely why the Catholic church is in so much trouble, and to play the sectarian/racism card would be laughable if it wasn't such a serious issue.

Author:  F_A_F [ Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:28 am ]
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Even 5 year olds know that when you're in a deep hole, you stop digging :roll:

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:33 am ]
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pcernie wrote:
Go fcuk yourself. There's nothing violent or centred about the so-called 'attacks' - it's the media and the public wanting answers on questions of widespread perversion :evil:

And the use of stereotypes? Even if that is going on, and I haven't seen it, who's fault is the stereotype of a paedo priest? :roll:

'What do you mean you were raped by a priest? Why, that's just stereotyping!'

'The shifting of personal responsibility and guilt to a collective guilt' is precisely why the Catholic church is in so much trouble, and to play the sectarian/racism card would be laughable if it wasn't such a serious issue.

I agree. While the Catholic church may feel vilified, the public are certainly not taking it out on ordinary Catholics. If anything we have a lot of sympathy for them. As for stereotyping Catholic priests I think that they might have a reputation as paedophiles but that is only because the church has concentrated on protecting the priests involved.

To actually compare their suffering with the suffering of the Jews is atrocious. Have they never heard of the Spanish Inquisition when they tortured and murdered those, mainly Jews who would not convert to Catholicism?

Author:  pcernie [ Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:53 am ]
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Williams criticises Irish Catholic Church 'credibility'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8601381.stm

It's not often I agree with him :)

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Dr Williams said: "I was speaking to an Irish friend recently who was saying that it's quite difficult in some parts of Ireland to go down the street wearing a clerical collar now.


I wonder how true that is :|

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On Sunday, Cardinal Keith O'Brien, the head of the Roman Catholic Church in Scotland, is expected to apologise during his Easter address in Edinburgh to the victims of paedophile priests.

He will say: "Crimes against children have indeed been committed and any Catholics who were aware of such crimes and did not act to report them, brings shame on us all."


About time somebody said it...

Author:  pcernie [ Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:58 am ]
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Outrage at anti-Semitism comparison by Pope preacher

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8601389.stm

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The pontiff has been accused personally of failing to take action against a suspected abuser during his tenure as archbishop of Munich - a claim the Vatican strongly denies.

Critics also say that when he was prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which deals with sex abuse cases, he did not act against a US priest who is thought to have abused some 200 deaf boys.

On Friday, the Associated Press reported that the then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger had also allowed a case against a priest in Arizona to languish at the Vatican for years, despite repeated pleas from a local bishop for the man to be removed from the priesthood.

Documents showed that in 1990, members of a Church tribunal found that Rev Michael Teta had molested children as far back as the late 1970s, it said.

The panel referred the case to Cardinal Ratzinger. But it took 12 years from the time the future Pope assumed control of the case in a signed letter until Rev Teta was removed from the ministry, it was alleged.

AP reported it had seen other documents which indicated that as a Vatican cardinal, Benedict was also warned of allegations against another Arizona priest, Msgr Robert Trupia.

A bishop had labelled Trupia "a major risk factor to the children, adolescents and adults", but it was not clear from the case files whether Cardinal Ratzinger had replied, reported AP.


Just go :evil:

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:43 pm ]
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I have to agree. I am still waiting for the Pope to criticise that Cardinal Ratzinger who failed to deal with the priests in Munich. :shock:

Author:  pcernie [ Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:54 pm ]
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I see Williams has apologised... If he was sincere in the first instance, I hate to see him backing down now :(

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:57 am ]
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pcernie wrote:
I see Williams has apologised... If he was sincere in the first instance, I hate to see him backing down now :(

So has the preacher who made the statement.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8602504.stm

Author:  paulzolo [ Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:19 am ]
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Anti semitism is an attack on a group of people based on their religion and ethic origin.

The attacks on the Catholic church is down to the behaviour of a few of it’s clergy and the failure of the organisation as a whole to act on the problem.

I see no correlation between the two to be honest.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:43 am ]
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paulzolo wrote:
Anti semitism is an attack on a group of people based on their religion and ethic origin.

The attacks on the Catholic church is down to the behaviour of a few of it’s clergy and the failure of the organisation as a whole to act on the problem.

I see no correlation between the two to be honest.

+1 There have also been no attacks on Catholics because they are Catholics either.

Author:  pcernie [ Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:43 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
pcernie wrote:
I see Williams has apologised... If he was sincere in the first instance, I hate to see him backing down now :(

So has the preacher who made the statement.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8602504.stm


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During Mass in St Peter's Square Cardinal Angelo Sodano, dean of the College of Cardinals, paid tribute to the Pope as he wished him a happy Easter.

"Holy Father, the people of God are with you and will not let themselves be influenced by the petty gossip of the moment, by the trials that sometimes assail the community of believers," the cardinal said.

His remarks echoed earlier comments by Pope Benedict.

A week ago, with the Church already under pressure over the abuse allegations, the Pope said his faith would help give him the courage to deflect "petty gossip".


'Petty gossip'?! Are they for fcuking real? :x

I'm sorry, but I really am starting to think anyone who supports the Catholic church as it stands today might wanna reconsider their loyalty, even their faith in it. I'm just saying I would in that position...

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:33 pm ]
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Considering that they have compared anti semitism to the current crisis for the Catholic church does that mean that the Holocaust was petty gossip as well? :shock:

Author:  pcernie [ Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:40 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
Considering that they have compared anti semitism to the current crisis for the Catholic church does that mean that the Holocaust was petty gossip as well? :shock:


Malicious rumours, dear boy ;)

Author:  pcernie [ Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:46 pm ]
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Vincent Nichols, the head of the Catholic Church in England and Wales, said "serious sins" had been committed within the Catholic community.

During his homily at Westminster Cathedral, Archbishop Nichols said: "Talk of sin is not always popular - unless we are talking about other people's sins.

"In recent weeks the serious sins committed within the Catholic community have been much talked about.

"For our part, we have been reflecting on them deeply, acknowledging our guilt and our need for forgiveness."


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World- ... 3124?f=rss

Within the Catholic community? That'll be 'the shifting of personal responsibility and guilt to a collective guilt' kicking in I suspect :roll:

Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:11 pm ]
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'Attacks On Vatican As Bad As Anti-Semitism'


i have only one word to say to the Vatican ... BOLLOCKS …

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