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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Hung parliament would be good for country says Clare Short
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/electio ... Short.html

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A hung Parliament would help to "bring some power back" to the House of Commons chamber and make the Government less "arrogant", claimed Ms Short.
The former international development secretary said the Labour party had "considerably lost its way" and Parliament was "broken".
Speaking on BBC Radio Four's Today programme, she said: "The Labour party has considerably lost its way. The state of the Commons is terrible. No one goes in the chamber. Everything is guillotined. You can't get any time to make a substantial speech. Nobody listens to anybody. It's miserable.


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Ms Short said she was worried that many of the new intake of MPs would be "pretty clever young things inserted into local areas" by the party leaderships, without local roots and looking for ministerial office.

Can't fault her on either point.
Author:  pcernie [ Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:09 am ]
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I'd love to see a hung parliament purely out of curiosity :D
Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:27 am ]
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with the lib dems stating that they will raise 'personal tax allowance' to £10,000
if they can get that message out, then that will be a vote winner for them …
Author:  AlunD [ Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:34 am ]
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pcernie wrote:
I'd love to see a hung parliament purely out of curiosity :D

You mean members of parliament being Hung surely ;) :D
Author:  pcernie [ Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:44 am ]
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AlunD wrote:
pcernie wrote:
I'd love to see a hung parliament purely out of curiosity :D

You mean members of parliament being Hung surely ;) :D


That works too :D
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:01 am ]
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AlunD wrote:
pcernie wrote:
I'd love to see a hung parliament purely out of curiosity :D

You mean members of parliament being Hung surely ;) :D

And what would be the criteria? You tried to fiddle 60p for a Mars bar. The court is being lenient in sentencing you to death. Execution will be immediate and broadcast on the bye election special. :D
Author:  pcernie [ Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:21 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
AlunD wrote:
pcernie wrote:
I'd love to see a hung parliament purely out of curiosity :D

You mean members of parliament being Hung surely ;) :D

And what would be the criteria? You tried to fiddle 60p for a Mars bar. The court is being lenient in sentencing you to death. Execution will be immediate and broadcast on the bye election special. :D


It'd give new meaning to the swing-ometer :D
Author:  F_A_F [ Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hung parliament would be good for country says Clare Short
Clegg has also said it this morning, and I agree with both.

The whip system has led to all sorts of crap being voted for and against over the years. At least a hung parliament would mean MPs would have to be convinced of an argument before they voted for it, rather than relying on the party-bollocks winning over and forcing MPs to back an argument.

Incidentally, I wrote to Clare Short when she resigned from the cabinet and Nu-Labour party to congratulate her for sticking up for her principles. She's one of two MPs I've written to that actually got back to me personally :)
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Apr 11, 2010 1:48 pm ]
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F_A_F wrote:
The whip system has led to all sorts of crap being voted for and against over the years. At least a hung parliament would mean MPs would have to be convinced of an argument before they voted for it, rather than relying on the party-bollocks winning over and forcing MPs to back an argument.

Yes that would be a good reason to vote for anyone but the two main parties. If I was in Wales I can easily support Plaid Cymru. They have better policies than the main parties.
Author:  LaptopAcidXperience [ Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hung parliament would be good for country says Clare Short
It'll never happen, to close to having democracy, which is no good for big business and would probably result in the absolute breakdown of society as the consumer drones in this country wouldn't be able to handle it.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:48 pm ]
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Not so. For many people politics is an irrelevance, hence low turn outs. Also Germany has had coalitions for decades and that has not harmed big business. It depends on the parties and the policies. The main parties are pro business, as are the Liberals to a lesser extent. If anything we need politics to be further away from big business. The easier it is to buy a party with business donations the less relevant the average person is. You end up entire economic policy decided by the bosses of a few mega corporations who paid the right people. When is that good for people. Look at America were big business has bought influence in both parties, and has extremely business friendly legislation. Standards of living in the US have fallen for more than a decade, they were only sustained by a property bubble. No its citizens are poorer than ever and businesses are getting stronger.
Author:  LaptopAcidXperience [ Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hung parliament would be good for country says Clare Short
Amnesia10 wrote:
It depends on the parties and the policies.


Policies dictated by said big businesses, hence the digital Britain bill.

Amnesia10 wrote:
The main parties are pro business, as are the Liberals to a lesser extent. If anything we need politics to be further away from big business. The easier it is to buy a party with business donations the less relevant the average person is. You end up entire economic policy decided by the bosses of a few mega corporations who paid the right people. When is that good for people. Look at America were big business has bought influence in both parties, and has extremely business friendly legislation. Standards of living in the US have fallen for more than a decade, they were only sustained by a property bubble. No its citizens are poorer than ever and businesses are getting stronger.


Thanks, you've just explained very succinctly the point I was trying to make, that big business controls everything.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hung parliament would be good for country says Clare Short
I think that a cap on donations from individuals would end the control by big business. If you were capped at £500 whether by party membership, company donation linked to shareholding or union memberships or fundraising dinners, or risk gaol would be good. These should all be linked to NI number. So the parties would have to have a verified donation list and find raising list which would have to be cross checked against party funds.

Another change would be a ban on party debts. Iceland's inspector into the crisis blamed the fact that the parties were funded by the banks with overdrafts which meant that they turned a blind eye to the banks. That problem is probably an issue with the parties here.

I would also end big business buying peerages for their bosses.
Author:  AlunD [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hung parliament would be good for country says Clare Short
pcernie wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
AlunD wrote:
You mean members of parliament being Hung surely ;) :D

And what would be the criteria? You tried to fiddle 60p for a Mars bar. The court is being lenient in sentencing you to death. Execution will be immediate and broadcast on the bye election special. :D


It'd give new meaning to the swing-ometer :D


Brilliant :lol:
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