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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:12 pm ]
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/wor ... 620135.stm

Yes another moronic statement. :oops:
Author:  Zippy [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:13 pm ]
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Where de link??

Edit: Aha, there it is!! :D
Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:17 pm ]
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This is just straw clutching.

So, is he saying that the Catholic Church attracts homosexual to the priesthood? Is the Pope a gay? I think we should know.
Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:21 pm ]
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maybe the vatican is reliant on the fact that you have to have 'faith' to believe the link exists …
Author:  AlunD [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:22 pm ]
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or a soul full of hope ..................
Author:  HeatherKay [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:38 pm ]
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Isn't it a pity the faithful don't get to vote for their priests?

I wonder how the church is going to ever come out of this with dignity intact. Hopefully it won't. The sooner organised religion is banished to the realms of fantasy the better, in my opinion.
Author:  AlunD [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:39 pm ]
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HeatherKay wrote:
The sooner organised religion is banished to the realms of fantasy the better, in my opinion.

I'm with you on that one.
Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:41 pm ]
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AlunD wrote:
HeatherKay wrote:
The sooner organised religion is banished to the realms of fantasy the better, in my opinion.

I'm with you on that one.


+2
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:51 pm ]
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paulzolo wrote:
AlunD wrote:
HeatherKay wrote:
The sooner organised religion is banished to the realms of fantasy the better, in my opinion.

I'm with you on that one.


+2

+3

I know a gay priest and he is not interested in boys. Far from it.
Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:51 pm ]
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It’s a common fallacy that homosexuality = paedophilia. Far from it, but clearly on that the Catholic church is happy to use as an excuse.
Author:  big_D [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:11 am ]
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I thought the American apologist was worse. He claimed it wasn't child abuse or pedophilia, it was plain homosexuality, because the boys were post-pubescent! (On Larry King last week)
Author:  veato [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:23 am ]
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big_D wrote:
I thought the American apologist was worse. He claimed it wasn't child abuse or pedophilia, it was plain homosexuality, because the boys were post-pubescent! (On Larry King last week)


Isn't that basically saying "if theres grass on the pitch......"
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:46 am ]
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big_D wrote:
I thought the American apologist was worse. He claimed it wasn't child abuse or pedophilia, it was plain homosexuality, because the boys were post-pubescent! (On Larry King last week)

I don't think that the police or the courts will see it that way. In the US if they are below a certain age they cannot give consent for any sexual act and it becomes statutory rape. And cardinal who aided and abetted there transfer to another country could be guilty of aiding and abetting child rape.
Author:  big_D [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:23 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
big_D wrote:
I thought the American apologist was worse. He claimed it wasn't child abuse or pedophilia, it was plain homosexuality, because the boys were post-pubescent! (On Larry King last week)

I don't think that the police or the courts will see it that way. In the US if they are below a certain age they cannot give consent for any sexual act and it becomes statutory rape. And cardinal who aided and abetted there transfer to another country could be guilty of aiding and abetting child rape.

He was pushed by Sinéad O'Connor to say exactly when a boy in America would be considered post-pubescent, he said 12 or 13! :shock:

The problem is, probably half of the audience wouldn't have understood what post-pubescent meant and would have believed him, had he not been pushed to actually define it! He was a shill, trying to do damage limitation.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:56 am ]
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big_D wrote:
He was pushed by Sinéad O'Connor to say exactly when a boy in America would be considered post-pubescent, he said 12 or 13! :shock:

The problem is, probably half of the audience wouldn't have understood what post-pubescent meant and would have believed him, had he not been pushed to actually define it! He was a shill, trying to do damage limitation.

It can be later than that. Boys do develop later than girls. Even so many US jurisdictions state that consent cannot be given before fourteen, and then only to another minor. If that person is above 16 then the full rape charge is thrown at the older person.

In this case as a spokesman for the church he is not to blame but it does show how out of touch the church has become.
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