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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 4:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Disabled caravanner given criminal record for penknife in ca

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... n-car.html

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Full time carer Rodney Knowles kept the knife in his glove compartment of his vehicle.
The 61-year-old, who walks with the aid of a stick, was stopped by police on suspicion of drink driving - he was below the legal limit - but officers found the knife in a pouch in the car's glove box.


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Knowles, from Buckland, Newton Abbot, Devon, said:"It's a stupid law. Now I have a criminal record."

And he will be on the DNA database as a criminal.

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The retired maintenance engineer, who has no previous convictions, said:"It was in my glove box in a pouch, along with a torch, first aid kit and waterproofs."

Penknife and torch. That is also "going equipped" for burglary. This man needs to be locked up. ;)

Author:  belchingmatt [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Disabled caravanner given criminal record for penknife in ca

I was chatting to someone earlier today about how common it used to be for everyone to carry a knife on them. The Police, CPS and Judge should be ashamed of themselves.

Author:  finlay666 [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Disabled caravanner given criminal record for penknife in ca

belchingmatt wrote:
I was chatting to someone earlier today about how common it used to be for everyone to carry a knife on them. The Police, CPS and Judge should be ashamed of themselves.


Silly thing is something like a tyre iron could be construed as a weapon, even if it's in your car but not in the holder (say you don't have one)

Author:  forquare1 [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Disabled caravanner given criminal record for penknife in ca

I keep a very small knife in my bad, along with set a screwdrivers, people are amazed how often they are useful...It's a silly law, but I understand why it's there. Just stupid that it needs to be there at all...

Author:  TheHobgob [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Disabled caravanner given criminal record for penknife in ca

Ridiculous, there's nothing wrong with the law just peoples common sense. Every time I go to work I carry a knife and I use it 5+ times each day, it would be impossible to open boxes without it the amount of tape and plastic strapping they use. It just has to be the right kind of knife, I would carry around a 6 inch flick knife, but a pen knife? Come on.

Welcome to Britain.

Author:  belchingmatt [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Disabled caravanner given criminal record for penknife in ca

Having just re-read the article and realising he's a caravanner. Lock him up and throw away the key.

Author:  adidan [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Disabled caravanner given criminal record for penknife in ca

belchingmatt wrote:
Having just re-read the article and realising he's a caravanner. Lock him up and throw away the key.

+1

I do believe the whold story has been misrepresented, owning a caravan is almost a capital offence.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Disabled caravanner given criminal record for penknife in ca

Jeremy Clarkson has a couple of pseudonyms in this forum. :D

Author:  finlay666 [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Disabled caravanner given criminal record for penknife in ca

TheHobgob wrote:
Ridiculous, there's nothing wrong with the law just peoples common sense. Every time I go to work I carry a knife and I use it 5+ times each day, it would be impossible to open boxes without it the amount of tape and plastic strapping they use. It just has to be the right kind of knife, I would carry around a 6 inch flick knife, but a pen knife? Come on.

Welcome to Britain.



I'd be screwed, my penknife isn't even in my glovebox, it's in the ashtray, not to mention the larger multitool in the boot with the tyre iron and other 'tools' that could be seen as weapons.

I reckon the police would think that the tyre was a weapon on it's own, and the jack is a torture device...

Author:  Linux_User [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Disabled caravanner given criminal record for penknife in ca

Every idiot Daily Mail reader called for mandatory sentences when people are caught with knives. This is the inevitable result. No doubt they'll be outraged about this too - this is why interpreting the law should be left to judges, not politicians or the general public.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Disabled caravanner given criminal record for penknife in ca

Linux_User wrote:
Every idiot Daily Mail reader called for mandatory sentences when people are caught with knives. This is the inevitable result. No doubt they'll be outraged about this too - this is why interpreting the law should be left to judges, not politicians or the general public.

Yes and the police will mark this as a serious knife crime solved. :oops:

Author:  big_D [ Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Disabled caravanner given criminal record for penknife in ca

Amnesia10 wrote:
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The retired maintenance engineer, who has no previous convictions, said:"It was in my glove box in a pouch, along with a torch, first aid kit and waterproofs."

Penknife and torch. That is also "going equipped" for burglary. This man needs to be locked up. ;)

Good job I don't live in the UK then! I have a Leatherman Wave, its toolset and a torch on my belt! I use them at work, because it is easier than carrying around a full toolkit from office to office or site to site, when repairing PCs or stripping cables etc.

http://www.leatherman.com/products/prod ... =9&f=6&c=1

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Disabled caravanner given criminal record for penknife in ca

Yes it is getting ridiculous here now. I have a multi tool but do not take it out of the house unless I have a reason to.

Author:  adidan [ Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Disabled caravanner given criminal record for penknife in ca

If someone gets injured because they get caught up in something, I don't know, rope or something or some other hypothetical situation, would they be allowed to sue the Police if the injury was as a direct cause of not being able to cut themselves free with anything other than a cutting remark and sharp wit as you can't carry a penknife?

This is the result of believing that somebody who is willing to attack with a knife will either hand it in to Police, not carry it because of a law which is less severe than the one concerning the crime that they intend to commit anyways, or will not use something else to commit the same crime.

Political reaction to public paranoia fuelled by 24 hour media is not a good basis on which to create new laws that criminalise inanimate objects rather than criminals.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Disabled caravanner given criminal record for penknife in ca

They really need to take into consideration the persons age. A teen is more likely to use it as a weapon. A much older disabled person is highly unlikely to use for those purposes. Also older people are more likely to carry various tools just in case because they needed it in the past.

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