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Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:53 am ]
Post subject:  Belgian bid to ban 'racist' Tintin in the Congo

Every so often, this rears its head. The book is undoubtably of its time - and is at odds with the rest of the books. I’m not sure if banning it is a good idea - I did have to ask for my copy in Waterstones, and it came sealed with a paper surround warning of the contents.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8648056.stm

I think I have four iterations of this book - in both black and white, colour and both French and English.

Author:  jonlumb [ Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:05 am ]
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Read this story earlier this morning, now quite keen to go and buy it. I read it as a child, but don't remember anything offensive in it.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:09 am ]
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Yes this one was one of the really early ones. It was also pretty unsettling in that he hunts elephants and other things which would not be acceptable today.

Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:52 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
Yes this one was one of the really early ones. It was also pretty unsettling in that he hunts elephants and other things which would not be acceptable today.


Depending on which version you have, you’ll see him drill a hole in a rhinoceros, drop in some TNT and light it.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Belgian bid to ban 'racist' Tintin in the Congo

While it would not be published now, it is a reissue of a older edition. I still think that it has relevance to be sold now. PC gone mad to ban it. And banning books is a very bad thing.

Author:  TheFrenchun [ Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:16 pm ]
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It is offensive, as offensive as fake shoe polish black people in 30-40s music hall shows.

Tintin is really outdated now. It didn't age very well. I don't think it should be banned however, it is representative of the mindset at the time, and does not call for hatred.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:24 pm ]
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TheFrenchun wrote:
It is offensive, as offensive as fake shoe polish black people in 30-40s music hall shows.

Tintin is really outdated now. It didn't age very well. I don't think it should be banned however, it is representative of the mindset at the time, and does not call for hatred.

That is only the early stories. The later ones are much less bigoted.

Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Belgian bid to ban 'racist' Tintin in the Congo

Amnesia10 wrote:
TheFrenchun wrote:
It is offensive, as offensive as fake shoe polish black people in 30-40s music hall shows.

Tintin is really outdated now. It didn't age very well. I don't think it should be banned however, it is representative of the mindset at the time, and does not call for hatred.

That is only the early stories. The later ones are much less bigoted.


Indeed - the quality and rigouresness of research improved hugely. In fact, it was Chinese student, Chang Chong-jen (who got immortalised as Chang Chong-Chen in The Blue Lotus and Tintin in Tibet) who opened Hergé’s eyes to the bigger global picture. The Blue Lotus and subsequent stories became far deeper in terms of story, comment and satire.

Author:  TheFrenchun [ Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:15 pm ]
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paulzolo wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
TheFrenchun wrote:
It is offensive, as offensive as fake shoe polish black people in 30-40s music hall shows.

Tintin is really outdated now. It didn't age very well. I don't think it should be banned however, it is representative of the mindset at the time, and does not call for hatred.

That is only the early stories. The later ones are much less bigoted.


Indeed - the quality and rigouresness of research improved hugely. In fact, it was Chinese student, Chang Chong-jen (who got immortalised as Chang Chong-Chen in The Blue Lotus and Tintin in Tibet) who opened Hergé’s eyes to the bigger global picture. The Blue Lotus and subsequent stories became far deeper in terms of story, comment and satire.

That's not what i meant by outdated. It just looks old. Like a 70s movie with bell trousers and orange flower wallpaper. I know that later Tintin stories are not as colonialist as the first ones. I'm just saying that compared to comics such as Blake and Mortimer, it looks old.

Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:58 pm ]
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TheFrenchun wrote:
That's not what i meant by outdated. It just looks old. Like a 70s movie with bell trousers and orange flower wallpaper. I know that later Tintin stories are not as colonialist as the first ones. I'm just saying that compared to comics such as Blake and Mortimer, it looks old.


Blake & Mortimer are contemporary with Tintin - Edgar Jacobs stopped working with Hergé to draw those in the 1950’s, even the new Post Jacob stories look “old”. It’s probably an artefact of the ligne claire style - Yoko Tsuno looks similarly antique, despite being set in more modern times, as does Rainbow Orchid http://www.garenewing.co.uk/rainboworchid/

Author:  belchingmatt [ Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:03 pm ]
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paulzolo wrote:
Every so often, this rears its head. The book is undoubtably of its time - and is at odds with the rest of the books. I’m not sure if banning it is a good idea - I did have to ask for my copy in Waterstones, and it came sealed with a paper surround warning of the contents.


Putting it in a bag is sensible, people can be aware of what they are buying but most importantly can still buy it.

Author:  TheFrenchun [ Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:06 pm ]
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paulzolo wrote:
TheFrenchun wrote:
That's not what i meant by outdated. It just looks old. Like a 70s movie with bell trousers and orange flower wallpaper. I know that later Tintin stories are not as colonialist as the first ones. I'm just saying that compared to comics such as Blake and Mortimer, it looks old.


Blake & Mortimer are contemporary with Tintin - Edgar Jacobs stopped working with Hergé to draw those in the 1950’s, even the new Post Jacob stories look “old”. It’s probably an artefact of the ligne claire style - Yoko Tsuno looks similarly antique, despite being set in more modern times, as does Rainbow Orchid http://www.garenewing.co.uk/rainboworchid/

I never liked Tintin, or Alix

I'm an Asterix fan at heart :)

This is my fav. comic evar
Image

My dad collects these, they are piece of art:
François Bourgeon(writer): Image

Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:48 pm ]
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we have troops losing life and limb in combat and we worry about a fcuking comic/cartoon character that may cause offence, are we sure …

Author:  TheFrenchun [ Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:54 pm ]
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MrStevenRogers wrote:
we have troops losing life and limb in combat and we worry about a fcuking comic/cartoon character that may cause offence, are we sure …

Because life continues during war, otherwise there's no point in fighting in the first place... Get a grip.

Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:02 pm ]
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TheFrenchun wrote:
MrStevenRogers wrote:
we have troops losing life and limb in combat and we worry about a fcuking comic/cartoon character that may cause offence, are we sure …

Because life continues during war, otherwise there's no point in fighting in the first place... Get a grip.


i have a grip, its called reality, which seems to be in a galaxy far far away from here
but rest assured i will remain around just to pi$$ a few off, it would and does make my day …

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