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Author:  pcernie [ Mon May 03, 2010 7:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Tories suspend two councillors over racist email

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Two Tory councillors have been suspended from the party after sending a racist joke to an email list including Ribble Valley Tory MP Nigel Evans, the mayor of South Ribble, and fellow Conservative councillors.

Simon Farnsworth, a Ribble Valley councillor, sent the joke on to Ken Hind, his fellow councillor and a former Tory parliamentary candidate in Selby and Lancashire West at the 1997 and 1992 elections. Hind then sent it on to a long list of Tories, including Evans; DW Parkinson, the mayor of South Ribble; and other South Ribble and Ribble Valley councillors.

When the Guardian drew the Conservative party's attention to the email, the two men were suspended.

The joke runs as follows:

A Somalian arrives in the UK as a new immigrant. He stops the first person he sees walking down the street and says, "Thank you Mr UK man for letting me into this country, giving me housing, money for food, free medical care, free education and no taxes!"

The passerby says, "You are mistaken, I am an Afghani [sic]!"

The man goes on and encounters another passer by. "Thank you for having such a beautiful country here in the UK!"

The person says, "I not from the UK, I am Iraqi!"

The new arrival walks further, and the next person he sees he stops, shakes his hand and says, 'Thank you for the wonderful UK!' That person puts up his hand and says, "I am from Pakistan, I am not from the UK!"

He finally sees a nice lady and asks, "Are you British?"

She says, "No, I am from India!" Puzzled, he asks her, "Where are all the British?"

The Indian lady checks her watch and says: "Probably all at work."

The email ended with another joke: "IF YOU DON'T PASS THIS ON TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS YOU WILL RECEIVE 3 ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ABSOLUTELY FREE."

A Tory spokesman said: "Simon Farnsworth and Ken Hind have been suspended from the Party. The contents of this email have no place in the Conservative party."

Hind said he apologised to "all those people from the nations mentioned in the joke. It was not my intention to insult their racial origins, and I deeply regret passing on this item as I recognise now that it could cause offence."

He added: "In my daily life I deal with many people of different racial origins in our diverse community and in our relationships get on well with them. I deprecate those who are racist. On many occasions I have been outspoken in my condemnation of those who incite racial hatred and am committed to developing an integrated tolerant community in which all races creeds and religions live side by side in peace.

"I am privileged to name amongst my friends and associates many who are of Asian or African origin. I wish to emphasise that any apparent insult or criticism contained in the joke does not reflect my views or those of the Conservative party."

Farnsworth has also been contacted for comment but had not responded at the time of publication.

David Eccleston, who received the email by mistake and passed it to the Guardian, said that many people thought David Cameron "seems like a nice guy and he seems to care", but "these jokes bring you back to Earth with a bang because you realise that behind Cameron's call for 'change' are the same old nasty Conservative party – and that's not change."

The Tories suspended parliamentary candidate Philip Lardner last week after he wrote that homosexuality "is not normal behaviour".

The previous week, two Conservative local election candidates were suspended for disrupting a visit to east London by John Prescott, the former deputy prime minister.

However, Chris Grayling, the shadow home secretary, has so far kept his job after he expressed support for B&B owners who barred gay couples. Grayling later said he fully supported gay rights.

On the other side of the political divide, candidate John Cowan was suspended from the Labour party last week for boasting about his sex life online and saying he would not want his children to marry a Muslim. And, on 10 April, Labour suspended Stuart MacLennan, the candidate in Moray, for offensive comments he made on Twitter.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010 ... cist-email

How's that racist, unless you're taking offence on someone's behalf? :?

And like it or not, how many voters would say that joke had a bit of meaning to it? It's certainly an issue the mainstream politicians are reluctant to tackle, and we all know who benefits...

Author:  belchingmatt [ Mon May 03, 2010 8:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tories suspend two councillors over racist email

:lol:

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon May 03, 2010 11:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tories suspend two councillors over racist email

Well the Tories showing their true colours yet again. :(

Author:  ShockWaffle [ Wed May 05, 2010 7:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tories suspend two councillors over racist email

pcernie wrote:
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[...] "Where are all the British?"

The Indian lady checks her watch and says: "Probably all at work."

How's that racist, unless you're taking offence on someone's behalf? :?

And like it or not, how many voters would say that joke had a bit of meaning to it? It's certainly an issue the mainstream politicians are reluctant to tackle, and we all know who benefits...

It's clearly racist, it relies for its humour on a particular dichotomy where white people are hard working and a series of brown people are sponging from them.

The problem with the issue at hand derives from the voters not the politicians. The politicians all know that we as a nation need lots of economic migrants, and frankly must tolerate a certain level of unauthorised migration if we want to enjoy such little luxuries as clean supermarkets, and carrots that aren't left to rot in the fields. But nobody can tell that to the average British voter, who is, in all honesty, a bit of an idiot. He is the kind of fool who believes that people want to invest their family's life savings to travel in extreme discomfort half way round the world to claim unemployment and live in a cold council flat on a grubby estate. That's the kind of mentality required to believe that this joke is valid satire.

The scary thing about this story is tat it shows us a picture of politicians who are actually not smarter than the voters.

Author:  pcernie [ Wed May 05, 2010 8:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tories suspend two councillors over racist email

ShockWaffle wrote:
pcernie wrote:
Quote:
[...] "Where are all the British?"

The Indian lady checks her watch and says: "Probably all at work."

How's that racist, unless you're taking offence on someone's behalf? :?

And like it or not, how many voters would say that joke had a bit of meaning to it? It's certainly an issue the mainstream politicians are reluctant to tackle, and we all know who benefits...

It's clearly racist, it relies for its humour on a particular dichotomy where white people are hard working and a series of brown people are sponging from them.

The problem with the issue at hand derives from the voters not the politicians. The politicians all know that we as a nation need lots of economic migrants, and frankly must tolerate a certain level of unauthorised migration if we want to enjoy such little luxuries as clean supermarkets, and carrots that aren't left to rot in the fields. But nobody can tell that to the average British voter, who is, in all honesty, a bit of an idiot. He is the kind of fool who believes that people want to invest their family's life savings to travel in extreme discomfort half way round the world to claim unemployment and live in a cold council flat on a grubby estate. That's the kind of mentality required to believe that this joke is valid satire.

The scary thing about this story is tat it shows us a picture of politicians who are actually not smarter than the voters.


I don't think it goes any further than using foreigners/nationalities and their stereotypes for the purpose of a joke's structure, little different to Englishman, Scotsman, Irishman walk into a pub..., 'Paddy' getting a chance to hit an Englishman, or jokes about rednecks etc. I believe it's more for the purpose of the joke than any malicious intent. I personally laugh along at the stereotypes in jokes about NI cos a lot of them are true, though YMMV ;)

The politicians haven't got the balls to stand up to the top-selling 'newspapers' - I'd say that's a good starting point for changing things, if anyone's gonna do it...

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed May 05, 2010 11:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tories suspend two councillors over racist email

Many jokes are offensive as Ernie stated, such as the Englishman Irish Man and Scotsman type, though more of a stereotype type joke. Many might be really sick and offensive but very topical so do not last well.

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