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pcernie
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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gavomatic57
Doesn't have much of a life
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:30 pm Posts: 1757 Location: Cardiff, Wales
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It certainly does, as does Sir Wall's eyebrows...
Seriously, I didn't think you could be forced by law to have surgery???
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Thu May 27, 2010 6:38 pm |
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belchingmatt
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 3:16 am Posts: 6146 Location: Middle Earth
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Just recently a 15 year old Jehovah's Witness died because he refused to receive blood after an accident. Apparently it was up to the doctors to decide if he was able to make a mature decision based on his beliefs and condition.
The doctors in this case are convinced she will die if she doesn't have the operation, but what are the chances of her dying within a couple of years if the cancer metastasizes. What will her quality of life be if she feels she has been violated and goes on to die?
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If one is diving so close to the limits that +/- 1% will make a difference then the error has already been made.
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Thu May 27, 2010 6:55 pm |
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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Even if it's true that she's incapable of making that choice (which in itself is always open for debate) who is the judge to make that choice. Surely it should be a close family member. What I find most disturbiung about this though is the doctors attitude. Who are they to try and force medical procedures on someone. Aren't they supposed to respect peoples opinions?
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Thu May 27, 2010 8:28 pm |
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Zippy
Spends far too much time on here
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:20 pm Posts: 3838 Location: Here Abouts
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Perhaps she's decided that 55 years is long enough for her and has refused treatment as a form of "DNR"?? Maybe she doesn't want treatment because she's had enough of other people interfering in her life and taking away what liitle decision-making power she has??
This kind of thing makes me sick and makes me very glad that I have a living will and all my family/loved ones know how I feel.
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Thu May 27, 2010 9:10 pm |
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cloaked_wolf
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:46 pm Posts: 10022
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I've come across situations similar to this, though not requiring court intervention. It's not simple nor clear-cut.
This lady has a learning disability. She doesn't have capacity - she cannot retain the information, process it ans express an opinion based on the information given. Hence she cannot make a decision.
Compare it to a five-year-old kid who doesn't want surgery because she is scared of big hospitals. Let's say she has appendicitis and if she isn't operated on, she will die. This five year old would not have capacity to make a decision. Hence the parent/guardian makes the decision on the kid's behalf.
Except here, there is no parent/guardian but the person is still incapable of making a decision. Hence a "higher power" is required to help make the decision.
Similar to but not the same as a person with advanced Alzheimer's dementia.
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Thu May 27, 2010 9:59 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
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I would have thought that the family are thinking long term as to how they do they look after in her old age as they are even older.
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Thu May 27, 2010 11:56 pm |
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cloaked_wolf
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:46 pm Posts: 10022
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What if she has no family or next of kin?
I see quite a few elderly people who were only children or whose family have all died, are the sole remaining member and have no children or friends to act as NoK? Who, then, is there to act in the best interests of the person?
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Fri May 28, 2010 8:26 am |
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paulzolo
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:27 pm Posts: 12251
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Well, it’s not going to help her phobias either, is it?
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Fri May 28, 2010 8:34 am |
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belchingmatt
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 3:16 am Posts: 6146 Location: Middle Earth
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Shouldn't someone who is incapable of making a decision have a guardian, even if it is the state?
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If one is diving so close to the limits that +/- 1% will make a difference then the error has already been made.
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Fri May 28, 2010 9:19 am |
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Amnesia10
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
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Her family can be that guardian, but as she is getting on they are aware of what will happen when her parents die and she is alone.
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Fri May 28, 2010 9:44 am |
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