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Author: | pcernie [ Sat May 29, 2010 4:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | BT fumes at Ofcom's file-sharing clampdown |
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/358312/bt-f ... -clampdown Ofcom and BT can both go and upload the proposals ![]() |
Author: | belchingmatt [ Sat May 29, 2010 6:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: BT fumes at Ofcom's file-sharing clampdown |
Ofcom and clampdown, two of the most unlikely words to see in the same sentence. |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Sat May 29, 2010 10:37 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: BT fumes at Ofcom's file-sharing clampdown |
I have no sympathy for BT, though why ISPs are having to do this defies logic. |
Author: | Linux_User [ Sun May 30, 2010 11:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: BT fumes at Ofcom's file-sharing clampdown |
Hopefully the Tories will make good on their promises and abolish Ofcom - soon. |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Mon May 31, 2010 1:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: BT fumes at Ofcom's file-sharing clampdown |
Well who will regulate the telecoms business then? If no one then expect to be ripped off in a big way. |
Author: | pcernie [ Mon May 31, 2010 10:43 am ] | |||||||||
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Ofcom are/were next to useless anyway, since they're about as independent as Simon Cowell and his 'acts' ![]() |
Author: | pcernie [ Mon May 31, 2010 10:53 am ] | |||||||||
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I suspect it'll amount to nothing more than a fudge for everyone - the media owners, the consumer, the government, the ISPs... |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Mon May 31, 2010 1:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: BT fumes at Ofcom's file-sharing clampdown |
I wonder how they will compile that list of downloaders. If it is from heavy downloaders it needs do define what is heavy usage. I have been checking the downloads volume of one machine. It has downloaded 5 Gb in two days and that is just browsing, plus wallpaper updates. I have OSX planet running every few minutes and it downloads a huge image file of earth every few minutes with different overlays of storms, eruptions sunlight shadow even satellites passing overhead, all of which is legal. Add in eBay sniping data and that can add another gigabyte a day, and all completely legal. Then what about music streaming from Spotify? That is legal and would be recorded as music. |
Author: | JJW009 [ Mon May 31, 2010 2:45 pm ] | |||||||||
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There is absolutely no chance that your Spotify or iPlayer stream will be misidentified as illegal activity. P2P traffic is very distinctive, even if it's encrypted. Many packets of certain sizes going between IPs that belong to home users rather than originating from servers. However, the article also says that the evidence will not come from the ISPs collecting data but from the copyright holders spying on the torrent trackers and using other methods to identify material they own. It's quite trivial to get a list of people downloading any given file on a torrent or P2P network. You simply download it yourself and look at the peers. You can easily generate statistics that show how many copies any IP uploaded. Of course, there are doubts over the legality of collecting such data - especially if it involves unauthorised modifications of P2P clients. |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Mon May 31, 2010 3:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: BT fumes at Ofcom's file-sharing clampdown |
Yes but if you have it encrypted they will not know if you are seeding the latest version of Avatar or multiple variants of Linux, which would be completely legal. |
Author: | JJW009 [ Mon May 31, 2010 4:43 pm ] | |||||||||
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If we're talking about bittorrent, then encryption is irrelevant to being caught. They don't start by looking at you to see what you're doing. They don't try to intercept any traffic. They start by looking at the source and see who's downloading it. Encryption is irrelevant because it only applies to the data in transit. If the file sharers can download it and read it, then so can the spies. Go to Piratebay. Download the Avatar bittorent. Look at the peer list on your client. All those people are downloading Avatar, some of them with encryption. You know it's Avatar because they're in the Avatar torrent and you can view the file to ensure it's not fake. One way to help avoid the spies is to always use a private tracker where you know for sure that everyone on there is "safe", but that's not really possible due to the difficulty in vetting applicants. For all you know, I may be a spy for Sony music. The other alternative is for them to use a VPN tunnel to hide their connection, but the VPN end point will be visible and the operator will be liable to prosecution. The best way to avoid detection is to route traffic via a botnet, but that's a criminal activity carrying a potential prison sentence. There are legal encrypted networks which do not route traffic directly from peer to peer and thus hide your IP, but they're incredibly slow and only really used by paedophiles and terrorists. Anyone using them is aiding such activity by providing transit for their material. |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Mon May 31, 2010 5:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: BT fumes at Ofcom's file-sharing clampdown |
There is another way and that is to avoid games, music and films altogether. These are the most contentious industries. I download games but shareware and have either bought a license or deleted. I do not download pirate games because of malware risks and there are few games that I want anyway. Music is accessible via iTunes or Amazon legally so no need to download, though I prefer to buy CD's anyway. |
Author: | JJW009 [ Mon May 31, 2010 5:06 pm ] | |||||||||
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Indeed. If you do nothing wrong, then you should have nothing to fear. |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Mon May 31, 2010 8:16 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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Yes bit even ripping CD's is technically wrong. |
Author: | rustybucket [ Mon May 31, 2010 10:56 pm ] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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It's illegal - not wrong. There's a difference |
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