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Author:  belchingmatt [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:38 am ]
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'Bin tax' proposal to be scrapped by government

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The previous government proposed fitting electronic tags to bins to weigh them, and fine households that threw away too much rubbish.

Critics argued that households would try to get around the tax by fly-tipping or burning more rubbish.
'Expectations exceeded'

Communities Secretary Eric Pickles is backing a recycling reward scheme pioneered by Windsor and Maidenhead council in Berkshire.

Households in the borough will be awarded points for the amount they recycle, which can be redeemed at shops, restaurants and leisure centres, or donated to schools.


How will they measure this amount? Sounds ripe for fraud to me.

Author:  Nick [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:28 am ]
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belchingmatt wrote:
How will they measure this amount? Sounds ripe for fraud to me.


Well I guess the same way that they already do in our area - with an RFID in the bin lid and the machine which used to just tip the bin, also weighs the bin on the way up and the way down too.

Author:  forquare1 [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:34 am ]
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All well and good, but I presume that exceptions would be made for larger households?
Two adults don't generate nearly as much waste (recyclable or not) as a family of five do.

That said, we've been recycling as much as we could since ~1995 when a recycling centre opened up in a nearby town (prior to that it had mostly been just cans and paper at school). We would drive there once a month and recycle all the waste we could. We compost everything we can and now we've been given a "green bin" (bin for compostable waste) we also use that too.

At the end of two weeks our regular bin still isn't really full...

Author:  Nick [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:49 am ]
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forquare1 wrote:
All well and good, but I presume that exceptions would be made for larger households?


I wouldn't think so. If I were rolling out the system, I would give rewards based on the ratio of waste to recycling. That way everyone wins, what ever the size of their family.

Surely students aren't going to be eligible for these rewards though? We don't pay council tax! :lol:

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:27 pm ]
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forquare1 wrote:
All well and good, but I presume that exceptions would be made for larger households?
Two adults don't generate nearly as much waste (recyclable or not) as a family of five do.

That said, we've been recycling as much as we could since ~1995 when a recycling centre opened up in a nearby town (prior to that it had mostly been just cans and paper at school). We would drive there once a month and recycle all the waste we could. We compost everything we can and now we've been given a "green bin" (bin for compostable waste) we also use that too.

At the end of two weeks our regular bin still isn't really full...

And it would be made even easier if the government banned the use of non recyclable packaging. If that happened you could practically scrap bin collections. It could either be composted or with old food go down toilet, or recycled.

Author:  hifidelity2 [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:46 pm ]
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Nick wrote:
forquare1 wrote:
All well and good, but I presume that exceptions would be made for larger households?


I wouldn't think so. If I were rolling out the system, I would give rewards based on the ratio of waste to recycling. That way everyone wins, what ever the size of their family.

Surely students aren't going to be eligible for these rewards though? We don't pay council tax! :lol:


I Agree - a % of total waste by weight would be best

Author:  adidan [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:53 pm ]
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hifidelity2 wrote:
I Agree - a % of total waste by weight would be best

I wish you paid for airline tickets based on your % of total cargo weight...

Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:12 pm ]
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funny thing about this recycling business is ...
most plastic is compressed and transported overseas to 3rd world countrys
no environmental savings there

most metal is recycled but is recycled overseas and then purchased again by industry
no environmental savings there

most organic waste is sent to landfill
no environmental savings there

other waste (hospitals) listed as dangerous is also packaged in containers and sent overseas
no environmental savings there

the only thing that is saved, by sorting your/our rubbish into different little bins, is the expense that would be required for workers to sort this for the so called recycling companies

the recycling business is BIG business and totally paid for and staffed by our efforts to recycle for them

we sort the garbage to save them employing anyone so they can profit by shipping the 'recycled' waste overseas
and then they charge us for this very privilege, wonderful work if you can get it …

Author:  adidan [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:27 pm ]
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MrStevenRogers wrote:
the recycling business is BIG business and totally paid for and staffed by our efforts to recycle for them

Spot on.

I think it's used more like how they used donating metal fences to the war effort in WWII. Nothing was ever done with them but it made people fell like they were helping even though in actuality they made no significant difference whatsoever.

Some people are making a shed load of money of the backs of free labour like you say.

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