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Bloody Sunday inquiry a disaster, says Ken Clarke
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pcernie
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 |  |  |  | Quote: The Bloody Sunday inquiry has been a "disaster in terms of time and expense" and got "ludicrously out of hand", Justice Secretary Ken Clarke has said.
Thirteen people died in 1972 when British soldiers opened fire on civil rights marchers in Londonderry.
The £190m Saville Report into the deaths will be published on Tuesday, 12 years after it was established.
Families of those who died have spoken of their anger that parts of the report have been leaked to the press.
Mr Clarke added he was considering how future inquiries should be held.
The marchers were shot dead on 30 January 1972 when British paratroopers opened fire on crowds at a civil rights demonstration. Fourteen others were wounded, one of whom later died of injuries.
An inquiry chaired by Lord Widgery was held in the immediate aftermath but it failed to satisfy families of the victims.
More than 25 years later, in 1998, then Prime Minister Tony Blair established a full inquiry under the auspices of former High Court judge, Lord Saville of Newdigate.
The Saville Inquiry took witness statements from hundreds of people and has become the longest-running and most expensive in British history.
It closed in 2004 with the report initially due for publication the following year.
On Tuesday, the Prime Minister David Cameron will formally announce the report's publication in the House of Commons.
Mr Clarke, a former barrister, criticised the expense and time taken to finish the inquiry in an interview with Sky News' Sunday Live.
He said: "There's no doubt that the kind of sums we spend now on public inquiries have vastly exceeded anything we would have contemplated when I was in practice."
More efficiency needed
"So like everything else, across the whole of the public sector really, you have to go back to the beginning and say 'Why is it costing so much more than it used to? Why is it costing so much more than any other country? What do you need to spend money on?'
"And Saville as an inquiry has been a disaster in terms of time and expense," Mr Clarke added.
Portraits of some of the Bloody Sunday victims Portraits of some of those killed on Bloody Sunday line the route of a commemorative march
Mr Clarke said he was in discussion to ensure future judge-led inquiries would be more efficiently handled.
"I'm anxiously considering how we can stop such inquiries getting ludicrously out of hand, in terms of cost and length, as the Saville Inquiry was allowed to do."
The justice secretary's comments come after the Guardian newspaper reported last week that leaked papers showed some protestors were unlawfully killed and that ex-soldiers could face prosecution.
Maj Gen Julian Thompson - who commanded Royal Marines in south Armagh during the Troubles - told the Observer it was time to draw a line under the issue "unless we want to go and prosecute all the IRA guys who murdered as well". |  |  |  |  |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8737531.stmHow did it cost so much? Tony Blair OK'd it (he enjoyed setting up inquiries remember) in return for details on the bodies of 'The Disappeared' IIRC, people the IRA had killed and secretly buried because even they knew the public outcry at the time would be deafening. But in real terms, I'd say the lawyers fees are the real kicker... It won't amount to anything, and there's not a chance of soldiers or anyone else being convicted - what are you gonna do, have the biggest court case in history too? 
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Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:27 pm |
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MrStevenRogers
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the soldiers in 1972 done there duty, nothing more nothing less i would be looking at the side that opened fire at that time ...
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Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:51 pm |
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pcernie
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Cheers Typical Grauniad though - John Home indeed! I think they meant 'Hume'...
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I would agree, plus who does it help by dragging it out? The soldiers who were there only acted in self defence.
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Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:52 am |
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MrStevenRogers
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Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:12 pm |
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pcernie
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It's quite possible those killed were innocent, but there's barely a bit of what's being reported that could be proved either way, short of full-on admissions. From whoever...
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Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:24 pm |
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jonlumb
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Hmm, a report that cost £40,000 per page, that's really quite something. I bet none of them were worth that much.
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Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:30 pm |
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jonbwfc
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Bloody hell. You could give the families of every person that was killed £10m in compensation and still have a fortune left over. And, from the summary I've read, regardless of what his conclusions are there's nowhere near enough evidence to get anyone into court on murder/manslaughter charges. I appreciate the families will be given great comfort from this but the cost is out of all proportion to the value to society it will bring.
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Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:41 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Not exactly unexpected. There was a comment from a local who said that there had been shootings of army in the area only days before, that would have made them very nervous.
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Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:46 pm |
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ShockWaffle
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Nevertheless, when the sate kills unarmed civilians, there must in every case be a full enquiry that spares no expense to uncover and expose the facts of the case. This inquiry was expensive because that requirement was ignored in the first enquiry which was a shameless cover up. That original failing meant this one had to be conducted with additional rigour, not to mention being decades late which can't have helped.
I see little merit in a cost / benefit analysis of this report that focuses on how much money it burned through, because in so far as it provides truth, that is an invaluable benefit. On the cost side we have simply the inefficiency of getting at that truth (to be expressed in number of lies, not £s). There should be no cheap way for any state to kill unarmed protesters.
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