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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:23 am ]
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http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/06 ... -websites/

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Moscow communicated with a ring of alleged spies in America by encoding instructions in otherwise innocent-looking images on public websites. It’s a process called steganography. And it’s one of a slew of high-tech and time-tested methods that the deep-cover agents and their Russian handlers used to pass information — from private Wi-Fi networks to buried paper bags.

Steganography is simultaneously one of the oldest methods for secret communications, and one of the more advanced. The process dates back to the fifth century B.C., when the Greek tyrant Histiaeus shaved the head of one of his servants, tattooed a message on his head, and waited for his hair to grow back before sending the messenger out. When the courier arrived, his head was shaved and the missive was read, giving information about upcoming Persian attacks. Later on, secret inks were used on couriers’ backs. Morse code messages were woven into a sweater that was worn by a courier.

As information went digital, steganography changed. Messages could be hidden in the 1s and 0s of electronic files — pictures, audio, video, executables, whatever. The hidden communications could even be slowly dribbled into the torrent of IP traffic. Compression schemes — like JPEG for images or MP3 for audio — introduce errors into the files, making a message even easier to hide. New colors or tones can be subtly added or removed, to cover up for the changes. According to the FBI, the image above contains a hidden map of the Burlington, Vermont, airport.

Both before and after Sept. 11, there were rumors in the media that al-Qaida had begun hiding messages in digital porn. That speculation was never confirmed, as far as I can tell.

Author:  ProfessorF [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:59 am ]
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It strikes me the ancients had a different sense of urgency if they can wait for someone's hair to grow back.

Author:  Nick [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:45 am ]
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That's exactly what I thought, Prof!

"crikey we're going to get attacked - I had best tattoo this guy then wait a few weeks for his hair to grow back"

Sounds like suicide to me.

Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:49 am ]
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Nick wrote:
That's exactly what I thought, Prof!

"crikey we're going to get attacked - I had best tattoo this guy then wait a few weeks for his hair to grow back"

Sounds like suicide to me.


But as armies moved on foot, there were no air craft or missiles, you could do things a lot more slowly. If it takes an army 8 weeks to get to you, because they are walking, then you have the time to wait for hair to grow back and for your messenger to travel.

Author:  HeatherKay [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:52 am ]
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paulzolo wrote:
then you have the time to wait for hair to grow back and for your messenger to travel.


The guy could wear a hat for a bit, too.

Author:  Nick [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:20 am ]
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paulzolo wrote:
Nick wrote:
That's exactly what I thought, Prof!

"crikey we're going to get attacked - I had best tattoo this guy then wait a few weeks for his hair to grow back"

Sounds like suicide to me.


But as armies moved on foot, there were no air craft or missiles, you could do things a lot more slowly. If it takes an army 8 weeks to get to you, because they are walking, then you have the time to wait for hair to grow back and for your messenger to travel.


But you will still receive the message a few weeks later than you otherwise would, regardless of how long it takes an army to approach.

Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:08 pm ]
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Nick wrote:
paulzolo wrote:
Nick wrote:
That's exactly what I thought, Prof!

"crikey we're going to get attacked - I had best tattoo this guy then wait a few weeks for his hair to grow back"

Sounds like suicide to me.


But as armies moved on foot, there were no air craft or missiles, you could do things a lot more slowly. If it takes an army 8 weeks to get to you, because they are walking, then you have the time to wait for hair to grow back and for your messenger to travel.


But you will still receive the message a few weeks later than you otherwise would, regardless of how long it takes an army to approach.


They were just more chilled about stuff back then. They didn’t even have rolling news channels.

Author:  finlay666 [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:07 pm ]
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One of the Masters students at my uni did a thesis on steganography, developed his own algorithm for it which improved hiding the data

Was really interesting and impressive work, only knew about it in a limited sense (still do, but a little more now :))

Author:  Nick [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:08 pm ]
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What, a little more limited? :P :lol:

Author:  finlay666 [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:13 pm ]
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Nick wrote:
What, a little more limited? :P :lol:


You know the saying

"The more you learn about something, the more you realise how little you know" :P

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:03 pm ]
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finlay666 wrote:
Nick wrote:
What, a little more limited? :P :lol:


You know the saying

"The more you learn about something, the more you realise how little you know" :P

I think that as long as you realise that you have incomplete knowledge that you can improve and have an objective. Steganography has been around for a while but it is getting more sophisticated nowadays.

Author:  jonbwfc [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:41 pm ]
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Enough metaphysical tomfoolery, the important fact is the spy is actually quite hot.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:58 pm ]
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jonbwfc wrote:
Enough metaphysical tomfoolery, the important fact is the spy is actually quite hot.

Now all I need is to work out what information I have that could be worth getting seduced for? None. :(

Author:  Nick [ Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:28 am ]
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jonbwfc wrote:
Enough metaphysical tomfoolery, the important fact is the spy is actually quite hot.


Abso-frickin-lutely!

I can see why they recruited her. If anyone is likely to get information out of senior politicians, it looks like it might be her! :lol:

Author:  JJW009 [ Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:30 am ]
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Even the Cookie Monster fancies her. Look at his eyes :lol:

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Reckon he told her where his stash was?

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