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Author:  pcernie [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:21 am ]
Post subject:  Advisors urge new UK climate policies
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/science_and_ ... 456314.stm

I wish I could ignore day to day life the way that team seems to, and what if they are right about GW? Are idiots like that really gonna do anything useful? :evil:
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Advisors urge new UK climate policies
Quote:
The government says it is committed to being "the greenest ever", and is expected to bring in new energy legislation within its first year.

The test of the government will be the policies they put in place over the next one to two years

The is the committee's second annual report to parliament, and follows a year in which UK greenhouse gas emissions plummeted by 8.6%, mainly due to the recession but also because of increased fossil fuel prices.

"The recession has created the illusion that progress is being made to reduce emissions," said CCC chairman Lord Adair Turner.

"Our analysis shows that this is almost wholly due to a reduction in economic activity, and not from new measures being introduced to tackle climate change.

I fully expect our coalition to be greenwashing on a massive scale. Insulation would be very beneficial. Labour were doing that but not on a big enough scale. Every home and business should have been eligible, and it should have been paid for by a large carbon tax on energy.
Author:  Nick [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Advisors urge new UK climate policies
Amnesia, I agree - but they should only introduce the carbon tax in a few years time.

If they were to announce that in five years time energy companies would be heavily taxed for their carbon output, they would invest in green energy today so they can try to avoid that tax in the future.

Energy prices would rise, but not overnight as they would if they introduced the tax too quickly.
Author:  adidan [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Advisors urge new UK climate policies
Quote:
"We had less than 1 Gigawatt (GW) of renewable capacity added to the system in 2009," said CCC chief executive David Kennedy"

Perhaps that's because wind farms were asked to frakin shut themselves off so as not to overload the grid.

FFS.
Author:  Nick [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Advisors urge new UK climate policies
adidan wrote:
Quote:
"We had less than 1 Gigawatt (GW) of renewable capacity added to the system in 2009," said CCC chief executive David Kennedy"

Perhaps that's because wind farms were paid to frakin shut themselves off so as not to overload the grid.

FFS.


Slightly edited.
Author:  adidan [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Advisors urge new UK climate policies
Nick wrote:
Slightly edited.

Thank you kindly. :)
Author:  l3v1ck [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Advisors urge new UK climate policies
Idiots.

That is all.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Advisors urge new UK climate policies
Nick wrote:
Amnesia, I agree - but they should only introduce the carbon tax in a few years time.

If they were to announce that in five years time energy companies would be heavily taxed for their carbon output, they would invest in green energy today so they can try to avoid that tax in the future.

Energy prices would rise, but not overnight as they would if they introduced the tax too quickly.

Yes but if you did that the government would never raise the tax in five years as it would always find an excuse to stall it. We would be no better off in five years because everyone will have thought that it was a ploy to get us to invest in efficiency. They would still be unprepared in five years time.

No what I would do is have a high carbon tax that could replace airline passenger duty and be applied to aircraft fuel as well, it would replace some of the petrol duty (much is not for anti greenhouse gases anyway) and it would apply to all fossil fuel energy generation. The money raised would ALL be used to give grants or vouchers for low energy lights loft and wall insulation and would be eligible to all. So in year one it will mean that collectively everyone is more insulated. Over time the amount paid back in grants etc will be reduced and could be used for clearing the deficit. In the mean time it makes people far more aware of the true cost of energy and means that they will look for cheaper running appliances to buy. Also why shouldn't businesses benefit from the grants or from extra allowances to cut energy usage? It would make renewables more cost effective and if people sign up for green energy contracts they can be exempt from the tax. If energy companies still wish to use fossil fuels they cannot pass the costs on to green energy contracts. They would want more efficient generation because it would benefit them directly.

Also by switching the emphasis onto efficiency the power companies could be forced to have regulated energy prices for low usage annually, so not impacting on the poor elderly or efficient, but higher unregulated prices for bigger users so the companies could still make their profits.
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