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Police number plate recognition camera rules tightened
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Amnesia10
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Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:43 am |
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pcernie
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At a time when we're told officers will almost certainly get redundancy and with a freeze on recruitment, the PSNI was recently gifted £12m for their ANPR system 
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Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:51 pm |
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l3v1ck
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I've always thought this system was a very good idea. Anything that easily gets untaxed cars and uninsured drivers off the road can only be a good thing. What I don't get is why they need to keep images of cars that don't trigger any alarms. Still, I'd rather have this system than not.
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Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:51 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Well the rules were lax, though I do think placing them outside mosques might be a tad suspicious. 
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Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:59 pm |
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trigen_killer
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I don't have a big problem with the current camera situation in the UK. My philosophy is that if you are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to fear.
However, there is doing wrong criminally and there is doing wrong morally. If the government does not control how the cameras and data is used, it is inevitable that an "innocent" person will be caught out when the information is viewed inappropriately.
The APNR cameras are an excellent piece of kit used to target motorist committing traffic offences and tracking known vehicles stolen or used by criminals for example. What we have to ensure, is that it is only the criminals that are being targeted and make sure that those that have access to the system do not abuse it.
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:33 am |
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HeatherKay
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I feel uncomfortable about being spied upon in general. When I was working, and travelling regularly to a place of work and back, such spying cameras could note my usual movements. If I decided one day to take a different route for a change of scenery, or take a day off and drive somewhere interesting, surely my number would be flagged for further surveillance. I've not done anything illegal, but may be inadvertently have flipped a switch somewhere for some shadowy figure to watch my movements a little more closely... (It's okay, I'm usually this paranoid.  ) I'm all for catching crims and tax avoiders, but pumping the cash used for this spying into officers on patrol must be a better alternative. The DVLA, after all, has a database of registered cars and drivers. By the time an errant car number has been spotted on a camera, it could be miles away before the police can stop the driver.
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:28 am |
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phantombudgie
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That's a lot of pictures. How many blu--ray discs will they need in order to leave the lot on a train?
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:37 am |
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ProfessorF
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This is a myth though.  |  |  |  | Quote: The idea that an individual can live in a surveillance society with nothing to fear so long as they have nothing to hide may, on the face of it, appear attractive. For those of us who think of ourselves as 'honest' - we pay our taxes, don't commit murders and are loyal to our partners - why indeed should we fear surveillance? "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear" (NTHNTF) is a myth that is built on certain false assumptions, and these assumptions are never questioned when it is wheeled out as an argument to support whatever draconian surveillance measure is being pushed out in the face of citizen opposition (commercial organisations rarely try such an approach, since it dooms them to failure from the very beginning). These assumptions include:
Continuity: When a large data gathering exercise is started, the lifespan of the system will almost always be greater than that of its instigators. The most benign and caring government, authority or private company is inevitably subject to a change of management, and if the new executive does not share their moral stance, then data can be reused for very dangerous purposes. Those who provided data believing they had nothing to fear may find that data is misused in the future.
Context: Those who use the NTHNTF argument most commonly use it in the context of government collecting information about individuals. In the information age, the idea of a single entity holding that information does not hold true. The massive pressures to share information within and beyond government mean that information is constantly on the move. Sooner or later, information held by the government will be shared across the government and with the private sector.
Control: Whether through a sharing agreement, aggregation of databases or simply leaving a memory stick in a pub car park, information is always shared sooner or later. Information security professionals always assume a system to be insecure, and plan for when - not if - data is lost or corrupted.
Consistency: The most important issue is that of consistent use of accurate information across all authorities and all individuals. |  |  |  |  |
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:51 am |
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Amnesia10
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I am not the sort that has much to worry about even if you listen to Bobbdobbs.  I still get paranoid when a passenger in car and being followed by the police. It is not so bad when you are in the police car. There is a standing joke with my friends and family that I have been in more police cars than Ronnie Biggs. Even so tracking everyones movements is something to be avoided. I can see this information being used out of context and causing individuals a lot of problems.
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:57 pm |
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belchingmatt
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I have no problem with it for road use such as for stolen cars, unlicenced cars and drivers with arrest warrants etc. I don't think the images should stored for any length of time other than if they were flagged for any of the above reasons.
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Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:38 am |
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Amnesia10
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Yes but these are fixed cameras, which I can understand the use of at ports. I can also understand them having mobile units to identify stolen, cloned or uninsured cars and drivers with outstanding warrants anywhere else but in these cases they would not need to keep the data that long.
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