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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:22 am ]
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010 ... ge-targets

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The European Union could obtain 92% of its energy from renewable sources such as wind and solar by 2050 while cutting carbon emissions by 95% compared with 1990, according to a report.

An extra €2tn (£1.7tn) worth of investment would be needed by the middle of this century but that could easily be outweighed by €2.65tn of fuel cost savings, argues Greenpeace International and the European Renewable Energy Council.

The report, Energy (R)evolution: Towards a fully renewable energy supply in the EU, claims a mixture of existing technologies plus the widespread adoption of electric cars and demand reduction initiatives would allow a dramatic change in energy requirements without a huge reduction in quality of life.

While the initial cost would be significant, the authors argue that the current model of energy production and use fails to guarantee a secure, sustainable and affordable supply into the future.

"This study shows that investing in green energy will nudge up the cost of electricity in the short to medium term. But it will save trillions of euros in fuel costs alone by 2030 and represents an immediate investment in jobs and energy security," says Greenpeace, which points out that its calculations are based on work by the systems analysis and technology assessment department of the German Aerospace Centre in Stuttgart.

The report was given credibilitytoday by Germany whose the Federal Environment Agency said it could derive all of its electricity from renewables by 2050. The country already gets 16% of its electricity from wind, solar and other renewable sources – three times higher than the level it achieved 15 years ago.

Author:  l3v1ck [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:15 pm ]
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Bull!
They're not reliable enough. The only way to cut CO2 from power stations that much is to go with nuclear and hydroelectric.

Author:  JJW009 [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:32 pm ]
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They are reliable on aggregate. The sun always shines and the wind always blows somewhere. You just need a good distribution network, possibly involving hydrogen being piped across continents.

I find it interesting that the countries with the most oil also have the most sun. Not that surprising when you think about where oil comes from.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:27 pm ]
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JJW009 wrote:
They are reliable on aggregate. The sun always shines and the wind always blows somewhere. You just need a good distribution network, possibly involving hydrogen being piped across continents.

I find it interesting that the countries with the most oil also have the most sun. Not that surprising when you think about where oil comes from.

And over wide enough area. Storing as hydrogen might also help boost the use of hydrogen for motoring.

Author:  l3v1ck [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:51 pm ]
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I think that's the only way they could do it. We've already had issues here where wind turbines have been turned off of windy days as the national grid couldn't use it.

CLICKY

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:57 pm ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
I think that's the only way they could do it. We've already had isuues hhere where wind turbines have been turned off of windy days as teh national grid could use it.

They should use that surplus energy for creating hydrogen from water for research, then combined it could be used as a store of energy. If there was a reliable supply of hydrogen then this could replace petrol vehicles and be good for those that need longer range vehicles that electricity does not meet right now.

Author:  adidan [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:58 pm ]
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I've been interested in the osmosis idea for a while, the first prototype is up and running with full scale implementation possibly available in 2015 clicky

Author:  ProfessorF [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:20 am ]
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JJW009 wrote:
I find it interesting that the countries with the most oil also have the most sun. Not that surprising when you think about where oil comes from.


I'm:
A.) A little drunk
B.) Curious

Could you expand on that a little?

Author:  l3v1ck [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:35 am ]
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ProfessorF wrote:
I'm:
A.) A little drunk
B.) Curious

Could you expand on that a little?

You're having your first homosexual experience? ;) :lol:

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:17 am ]
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adidan wrote:
I've been interested in the osmosis idea for a while, the first prototype is up and running with full scale implementation possibly available in 2015 clicky

TBH no one idea will solve our energy needs and reduce carbon at the same time. Though using them all and insulating as much as possible will go a long way to reducing our needs and making it easier to balance out supply, and even nuclear as a core element might make a huge difference to our economy and climate.

Author:  belchingmatt [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:16 am ]
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adidan wrote:
I've been interested in the osmosis idea for a while, the first prototype is up and running with full scale implementation possibly available in 2015 clicky


A good priciple but with so many cities around the world building desalination plants, something tells me a few priorities are mixed up.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:21 am ]
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belchingmatt wrote:
adidan wrote:
I've been interested in the osmosis idea for a while, the first prototype is up and running with full scale implementation possibly available in 2015 clicky


A good priciple but with so many cities around the world building desalination plants, something tells me a few priorities are mixed up.

It will only work in areas with adequate fresh water.

Author:  adidan [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:31 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
It will only work in areas with adequate fresh water.

All these problems are solvable. Much more so than trying to solve the problem of nuclear waste.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:49 am ]
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adidan wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
It will only work in areas with adequate fresh water.

All these problems are solvable. Much more so than trying to solve the problem of nuclear waste.

Yes but if we got 95% of our energy from renewables we will still need nuclear as a reserve, but far fewer than if we went the mass nuclear route.

Author:  adidan [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:54 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
Yes but if we got 95% of our energy from renewables we will still need nuclear as a reserve, but far fewer than if we went the mass nuclear route.

Water and salt water, why the need for nuclear? You need water in nuclear reactors, why not just ditch that? What we need is a better capacity to store power, that could then be the backup.

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