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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:30 am ]
Post subject:  British second homes owners in Paris facing fines for holida

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -lets.html

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Hundreds who have bought flats in the French capital as investments to rent out as holiday lets are currently under investigation for the little known crime, and face fines of up to £21,000.
It follows a move by the city's Socialist council to clamp down on absentee landlords who make thousands out of their properties while denying ordinary Parisians a place to live.
"It's a very serious problem and one we are determined to clamp down on," said a council spokesman.
"Housing stock is very scarce in central Paris, yet there are numerous foreign landlords who solely see flats as a short-term money making opportunity." She said the city council was "vigorously" enforcing a 2005 law which states that all rentals in France must be offered with a minimum one-year lease.
This has seen officers from the Bureau de la Protection des Locaux d'Habitation, (BPLH, or Office for the protection of residential property) acting on tip-offs from neighbours who resent constantly changing tenants.
The only way to get around the law is to reclassify flats as commercial properties, however, it is a complicated and massively bureaucratic legal process which usually ends in failure, especially for foreigners.
The law applies to properties across France but other councils are less concerned as there is not the shortage of housing that there is in Paris.

It is a good idea, I bet places like Cornwall and the Lake District would use it.

Author:  adidan [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:52 pm ]
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They really should.

I know when I went down to Cornwall it annoyed the hell out of me the fact that house prices were so high and yet some of the houses were empty. I'm not even local, god knows how you're supposed to buy a house in your home town when prices are so high.

If you buy purely out of business then you should pay back to that community in which you buy. Afterall, you are making a profit out of that location.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:10 pm ]
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Not just Cornwall. Many homes in Brighton are owned by Londoners who use them as weekend getaways. They does not stop them being rented out.

Author:  belchingmatt [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:12 pm ]
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If you reduce the availability of holiday homes then you'll also reduce tourism.

Author:  adidan [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:30 pm ]
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belchingmatt wrote:
If you reduce the availability of holiday homes then you'll also reduce tourism.

It is a fine balance.

Author:  Nick [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:22 pm ]
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12 months is too long - students only usually rent for 9 or 10 months.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:17 pm ]
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belchingmatt wrote:
If you reduce the availability of holiday homes then you'll also reduce tourism.

Yes but then they could always build holiday homes specifically for short lets like a camp site. Also this law does allow properties to be used for such purposes but the procedures to do so can restrict it so that there is adequate supply of homes for locals.

Author:  l3v1ck [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:46 pm ]
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Easy way round that. Lease it (on paper) to a friend for a minimum of one year, then sub let it on a weekly basis.

Author:  belchingmatt [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:43 pm ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
Easy way round that. Lease it (on paper) to a friend for a minimum of one year, then sub let it on a weekly basis.


The laws would no doubt include a ban on sub-lets.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:51 pm ]
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belchingmatt wrote:
l3v1ck wrote:
Easy way round that. Lease it (on paper) to a friend for a minimum of one year, then sub let it on a weekly basis.


The laws would no doubt include a ban on sub-lets.

In fact all tenancies ban them already. Especially if a mortgage is involved.

Author:  big_D [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:05 am ]
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belchingmatt wrote:
If you reduce the availability of holiday homes then you'll also reduce tourism.

That's what hotels and B&Bs are for... ;)

Author:  belchingmatt [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:12 am ]
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big_D wrote:
belchingmatt wrote:
If you reduce the availability of holiday homes then you'll also reduce tourism.

That's what hotels and B&Bs are for... ;)


Paying extra for obnoxious staff. No thanks, give me a holiday home.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:30 am ]
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belchingmatt wrote:
big_D wrote:
belchingmatt wrote:
If you reduce the availability of holiday homes then you'll also reduce tourism.

That's what hotels and B&Bs are for... ;)


Paying extra for obnoxious staff. No thanks, give me a holiday home.

Yes but depending where you go do you think that you should enrich some person at the expense of housing for the masses? If it were a city a hotel or guest house is perfectly adequate. If a beach area why not rent a caravan, mobile home or purpose built holiday chalet? These mean that you are in the same area but can cook for yourself if you must.

Author:  big_D [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:34 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
Yes but depending where you go do you think that you should enrich some person at the expense of housing for the masses? If it were a city a hotel or guest house is perfectly adequate. If a beach area why not rent a caravan, mobile home or purpose built holiday chalet? These mean that you are in the same area but can cook for yourself if you must.

+1

Author:  belchingmatt [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:10 am ]
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I would stay in a holiday home to avoid being in a resort/hotel type environment. Some people want that sort of thing but I don't, at least not all of the time.

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