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More should be allowed to die at home: Andrew Lansley
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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:19 pm ]
Post subject:  More should be allowed to die at home: Andrew Lansley
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... nsley.html

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Currently more than half of people die in hospital but surveys have shown that up to three quarters of people would prefer to pass away at home.
Funding of services for terminally ill people has been patchy with a mixture of NHS and charities funding hospices, home helps, specialist nurses and hospital beds.
Andrew Lansley, Health Secretary, has announced a review of how government money is spent on palliative care to allow more people to end their days in their place of their choosing.
Author:  adidan [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:49 pm ]
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Yup they should.

Fortunately my dad did. He hated being in hospital, he even ended up getting a mental stalker who kept asking when he was going to die and if he could go to his funeral.

You don't need that sh|t.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:54 pm ]
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I agree. It can be easier on the person involved. It does mean extra paperwork for the health authority. Any death other than those overseen by a doctor require a post-mortem. Though will the numbers increase anyway as a result of cuts to frontline services?
Author:  pcernie [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:28 pm ]
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I should be allowed to kill my family in my home :twisted:
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:19 pm ]
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pcernie wrote:
I should be allowed to kill my family in my home :twisted:

Cause of death, played too many Westlife records! ;)
Author:  big_D [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:32 am ]
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I'm in two minds, it is better for the person about to pop their clogs, but it isn't so nice for the family, at least after the fact...

I really don't know what I would do, for the family, I'd probably stay in hospital and leave it up to paid professionals to clear up afterwards and let my family grieve in peace...

My mother went into a hospice for the last 18 hours.
Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:10 am ]
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big_D wrote:
I'm in two minds, it is better for the person about to pop their clogs, but it isn't so nice for the family, at least after the fact...

I really don't know what I would do, for the family, I'd probably stay in hospital and leave it up to paid professionals to clear up afterwards and let my family grieve in peace...

My mother went into a hospice for the last 18 hours.


+1
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:50 am ]
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big_D wrote:
I'm in two minds, it is better for the person about to pop their clogs, but it isn't so nice for the family, at least after the fact...

I really don't know what I would do, for the family, I'd probably stay in hospital and leave it up to paid professionals to clear up afterwards and let my family grieve in peace...

My mother went into a hospice for the last 18 hours.

+2 I think though for the family who have to live their they might have memories which they may wish they did not have there, so maybe a hospital or hospice is the better option.
Author:  adidan [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:35 am ]
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big_D wrote:
I really don't know what I would do, for the family, I'd probably stay in hospital and leave it up to paid professionals to clear up afterwards and let my family grieve in peace...

Personally, I found it much better to have my dad die in his house than in hospital. Much easier to come to terms with it although it was odd going into his bedroom the following day. He hated the hospital.

I don't think it's easy to grieve in a hospital. As for professionals, well, the Macmillan nurses dealt with everything, I don't know how they do it TBH, and the doctor does come round eventually.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:59 pm ]
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adidan wrote:
big_D wrote:
I really don't know what I would do, for the family, I'd probably stay in hospital and leave it up to paid professionals to clear up afterwards and let my family grieve in peace...

Personally, I found it much better to have my dad die in his house than in hospital. Much easier to come to terms with it although it was odd going into his bedroom the following day. He hated the hospital.

I don't think it's easy to grieve in a hospital. As for professionals, well, the Macmillan nurses dealt with everything, I don't know how they do it TBH, and the doctor does come round eventually.

If it was his house then home would be a better option. It does depend on who else normally lives there.
Author:  JJW009 [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:49 pm ]
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It depends on the death. Death can be incredibly ugly.

Of course, we all want to die peacefully in our sleep. The very nice man in the ambulance will take us away in the morning, and it's all very civilised.

If I was dying of a painful disease, convulsing and screaming in pain, soiling myself, swearing demented bad-mouthed thoughtless torrents of insults, then I'd rather have a different option entirely.

In all likelihood, unless I crash the car then I'll die of cancer. My mother has it yet again, and I've smoked for 30 years. I expect to pass away in a hospital bed on high dosage pain killers, which is far easier on my loved ones than making them suffer the horrors of my last days or months trying to feed my ungrateful face and scraping the sh!t out of my bed.

When it comes to my parents, I really can't bare to think about it. I'll deal with it when I have to. Until then, I'm just happy to have them around.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:09 pm ]
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Yes far too many variables to consider. Messy (hospital) peaceful (at home) painful (hospital with loads of drugs) Though I think this might all be a cost saving exercise. It does need thinking about at some point.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:15 am ]
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I plan on dying at home. There's no way I'll let them force me into selling my house to pay for a care home.
I'll be a stubborn old bugger and refuse to go.
Author:  forquare1 [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:23 am ]
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My Grampy died in a care home while giving my Nan some respite.
If he had died in their flat then I'm sure my Nan may not have felt comfortable in the flat for some while after...

Talking to my Nan the other day, she was saying how her next door neighbour had died. Nobody had seen him for some time, and the cleaner went into his flat after knocking for several minutes. She found him dead, slumped against the wall while still sitting on the loo. This was an old man in sheltered accommodation where this thing happens from time to time. But imagine if that was a 40 year old husband and father who had been suffering for a while and had refused to go into hospital. Not a nice sight for a wife or some kids...

Where would I like to die? To be honest, at the age of 22 I still hate the thought of dying.
Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:53 am ]
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JJW009 wrote:
If I was dying of a painful disease, convulsing and screaming in pain, soiling myself, swearing demented bad-mouthed thoughtless torrents of insults, then I'd rather have a different option entirely.

You shouldn't be in pain. Things can be set up so in your last few days, you have a syringe driver. This is loaded with morphine to ease pain, and other meds to reduce secretions (so you don't get that rattly, scary breathing), a mild sedative (so you are not writhing around) and may have an anti-sickness (to avoid the nausea and vomiting side-effects of the above meds).
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