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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:18 am ]
Post subject:  Extra £100 to pay energy bill by cash or cheque

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/pers ... heque.html

Quote:
Energy customers who pay their bill by cash or cheque are being charged an extra £100 a year more on their bills, compared with those that pay by direct debit.
This premium has worsened over the last two years, according to the industry watchdog Ofgem, which said it was monitoring carefully to see if any companies were unfairly penalising customers.
People who pay by cash or cheque are called standard credit customers by the industry, and the extra £100 they pay on average has emerged as fears mount that companies are trying to stop the use of cash to pay bills. The industry has already announced that it intends to scrap the chequebook by 2018.

This is clearly wrong. The government should stop companies discriminating against certain types of payment.

Author:  JJW009 [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Extra £100 to pay energy bill by cash or cheque

Amnesia10 wrote:
This is clearly wrong. The government should stop companies discriminating against certain types of payment.

How is it wrong? Certain types of payment cost more to process. Why should I subsidise people who choose to be awkward?

Author:  Linux_User [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Extra £100 to pay energy bill by cash or cheque

This has been looked into before, and they get away with it because energy companies argue that it's not a penalty for paying by cash/cheque, but rather a discount for paying by Direct Debit.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Extra £100 to pay energy bill by cash or cheque

JJW009 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
This is clearly wrong. The government should stop companies discriminating against certain types of payment.

How is it wrong? Certain types of payment cost more to process. Why should I subsidise people who choose to be awkward?

Yes but a £100 per year more? What if you had no bank account? If you pay by cash you could pay it directly into a bank using a payment slip, this would cost no more than a direct debit.

Author:  belchingmatt [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:08 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
Yes but a £100 per year more? What if you had no bank account? If you pay by cash you could pay it directly into a bank using a payment slip, this would cost no more than a direct debit.


A payment slip requires handling on a monthly/quaterly basis. Direct debit is a one-off setup and then automatic.

Author:  hifidelity2 [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Extra £100 to pay energy bill by cash or cheque

belchingmatt wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
Yes but a £100 per year more? What if you had no bank account? If you pay by cash you could pay it directly into a bank using a payment slip, this would cost no more than a direct debit.


A payment slip requires handling on a monthly/quaterly basis. Direct debit is a one-off setup and then automatic.


The bank will chage (the business) a low rate for a DD (say 0.5p / transaction) while a much higher fee (say 15p) per credit slip. On top of this DD's will feed into automatic account systems ( customer account numbers etc) while paper vouchers will often require manual reconcilliation

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Extra £100 to pay energy bill by cash or cheque

belchingmatt wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
Yes but a £100 per year more? What if you had no bank account? If you pay by cash you could pay it directly into a bank using a payment slip, this would cost no more than a direct debit.


A payment slip requires handling on a monthly/quaterly basis. Direct debit is a one-off setup and then automatic.

Yes but you are still sent a bill, whether it is paid or not. The handling can be done by the banks and the payment codes do show who the payment is from. It is cheaper than cheques but banks prefer automated payments because they can get rid of staff. hence they can price such payments cheaper.

Author:  JJW009 [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Extra £100 to pay energy bill by cash or cheque

Amnesia10 wrote:
Yes but you are still sent a bill, whether it is paid or not. The handling can be done by the banks and the payment codes do show who the payment is from. It is cheaper than cheques but banks prefer automated payments because they can get rid of staff. hence they can price such payments cheaper.

I don't get a bill for some services, I choose paperless billing where possible.

But you're right, because they don't have to employ so many staff is the primary reason it's cheaper for them.

Author:  adidan [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:53 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
Yes but you are still sent a bill, whether it is paid or not.

I can't remember the last time I received a paper bill for anything TBH.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Extra £100 to pay energy bill by cash or cheque

JJW009 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
Yes but you are still sent a bill, whether it is paid or not. The handling can be done by the banks and the payment codes do show who the payment is from. It is cheaper than cheques but banks prefer automated payments because they can get rid of staff. hence they can price such payments cheaper.

I don't get a bill for some services, I choose paperless billing where possible.

But you're right, because they don't have to employ so many staff is the primary reason it's cheaper for them.

Though I still cannot see that the extra cost for a business is £100 per year for what is effectively four bills. If so many already pay by standing order or direct debit then there should few extra costs for dealing with so few. I pay by direct debit as well so am not affected but I am aware that older customers prefer paper bills, then paying by cheque.

Author:  l3v1ck [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Extra £100 to pay energy bill by cash or cheque

JJW009 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
This is clearly wrong. The government should stop companies discriminating against certain types of payment.

How is it wrong? Certain types of payment cost more to process. Why should I subsidise people who choose to be awkward?
+1
Also, people who pay by cash/cheque often pay late. Why should the power companies be out of pocket?
I suppose there's an arguement for a lower cost, but with heavy fines for paying late.....

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Extra £100 to pay energy bill by cash or cheque

l3v1ck wrote:
JJW009 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
This is clearly wrong. The government should stop companies discriminating against certain types of payment.

How is it wrong? Certain types of payment cost more to process. Why should I subsidise people who choose to be awkward?
+1
Also, people who pay by cash/cheque often pay late. Why should the power companies be out of pocket?
I suppose there's an arguement for a lower cost, but with heavy fines for paying late.....

Yes but you could have a penalty if mot paid by a certain date. That would encourage quick payment.

Author:  Linux_User [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Extra £100 to pay energy bill by cash or cheque

l3v1ck wrote:
JJW009 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
This is clearly wrong. The government should stop companies discriminating against certain types of payment.

How is it wrong? Certain types of payment cost more to process. Why should I subsidise people who choose to be awkward?
+1
Also, people who pay by cash/cheque often pay late. Why should the power companies be out of pocket?
I suppose there's an arguement for a lower cost, but with heavy fines for paying late.....


It would never wash, the OFT would strike the "heavy fine" down for being unfair. Any penalties must represent the actual costs the company incurs for late payment, no more.

Author:  HeatherKay [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:23 pm ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
Also, people who pay by cash/cheque often pay late. Why should the power companies be out of pocket?
I suppose there's an arguement for a lower cost, but with heavy fines for paying late.....


We choose to pay some of our bills online with a debit card. We never pay late, but we don't get the discount. How is that fair?

Author:  l3v1ck [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Extra £100 to pay energy bill by cash or cheque

HeatherKay wrote:
We choose to pay some of our bills online with a debit card. We never pay late, but we don't get the discount. How is that fair?

l3v1ck wrote:
I suppose there's an arguement for a lower cost, but with heavy fines for paying late.....

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