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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Tasers fired at gunman Raoul Moat 'not approved'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/10615302.stm

Quote:
The Taser stun guns used by officers attempting to stop gunman Raoul Moat from killing himself did not have Home Office approval, it has emerged.

:oops:
Author:  l3v1ck [ Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tasers fired at gunman Raoul Moat 'not approved'
Who cares?
I can't believe the police are getting this much stick from the media just because that thuggish pillock chose to shoot himself.
Author:  Linux_User [ Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tasers fired at gunman Raoul Moat 'not approved'
l3v1ck wrote:
Who cares?
I can't believe the police are getting this much stick from the media just because that thuggish pillock chose to shoot himself.


Well if it was the Taser that caused Moat to shoot himself then not only is that involuntary manslaughter for the Officer involved, but a force could be facing a large payout too.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tasers fired at gunman Raoul Moat 'not approved'
I thought the autopsy found that they missed, ie no Taser puncture wounds.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tasers fired at gunman Raoul Moat 'not approved'
Linux_User wrote:
Well if it was the Taser that caused Moat to shoot himself then not only is that involuntary manslaughter for the Officer involved, but a force could be facing a large payout too.

+1
Author:  jonbwfc [ Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tasers fired at gunman Raoul Moat 'not approved'
Quote:
A Home Office spokesman said the XREP Tasers were "currently subject to testing by the HOSDB (Home Office Scientific Development Branch)".
He added: "However, legally, police forces have discretion to use any equipment they see fit as long as the use of force is lawful, reasonable and proportionate.


Move along, nothing to see here.
Author:  Linux_User [ Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tasers fired at gunman Raoul Moat 'not approved'
jonbwfc wrote:
Quote:
A Home Office spokesman said the XREP Tasers were "currently subject to testing by the HOSDB (Home Office Scientific Development Branch)".
He added: "However, legally, police forces have discretion to use any equipment they see fit as long as the use of force is lawful, reasonable and proportionate.


Move along, nothing to see here.


Not necessarily. It will depend on the history of the device, and whether the outcome could have been predicted.
Author:  Paul1965 [ Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tasers fired at gunman Raoul Moat 'not approved'
l3v1ck wrote:
Who cares?
I can't believe the police are getting this much stick from the media just because that thuggish pillock chose to shoot himself.


Exactly. Why is this guy being treated as if he was a folk hero? There's even people leaving flowers and tributes where he died. Christ! I bet they'll all be on the Jeremy Kyle Show saying what a wonderful man he was and how they're traumatised by the police executing a good man.

Linux_User wrote:
Well if it was the Taser that caused Moat to shoot himself then not only is that involuntary manslaughter for the Officer involved, but a force could be facing a large payout too.


To whom? Hopefully not the weasel brother who condemned the police and later admitted he hadn't been in touch with Raoul Moat anyway. Maybe to Paul Gascoigne whose drunken attempts to speak to Moat show that he definitely needs to buy a brain transplant.

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Author:  paulzolo [ Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Tasers fired at gunman Raoul Moat 'not approved'
Yes - well done, Gazza, for shocking your agent.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tasers fired at gunman Raoul Moat 'not approved'
paulzolo wrote:
Yes - well done, Gazza, for shocking your agent.

Did he use an unapproved taser? ;)
Author:  l3v1ck [ Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tasers fired at gunman Raoul Moat 'not approved'
Amnesia10 wrote:
paulzolo wrote:
Yes - well done, Gazza, for shocking your agent.

Did he use an unapproved taser? ;)

Not unless he thought it was a widget in a can of beer.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tasers fired at gunman Raoul Moat 'not approved'
Quote:
The XREP Tasers used are still undergoing tests however the government has said forces have discretion to use any equipment they deem necessary.
So they were allowed to use them then. Problem solved.
Author:  Blue_Nowhere [ Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tasers fired at gunman Raoul Moat 'not approved'
Paul1965 wrote:
l3v1ck wrote:
Who cares?
I can't believe the police are getting this much stick from the media just because that thuggish pillock chose to shoot himself.


Exactly.


Thank the lord! I was begginning to think you'd all gone mad.

He killed people, the police went out to find him, they tried to stop him shooting himself, but oh well, he didn't.

How much would you care whether the tasers were approved if he'd shot your parents, or spouse?
Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:11 am ]
Post subject:  Tasers fired at gunman Raoul Moat 'not approved'
It was an incredibly odd sequence of events, consisting of:

1 - Three shootings by Moat resulting in one death and two seriously injured by a mentally unstable ex con who can't accept that his ex girlfriend us seeing someone else

2 - Declaring war on the police

3 - Writing a letter which ran to over 40 pages which could be summarised thus: "you'll never take me alive"

4 - A whole town practically closed and patrolled by armed police

5 - RAF fighter jets scrambled to help in the man hunt

6 - The unexpected appearance if a jaded old sportsman

7 - A final stand off ending in a suicide where Moat shot himself in the neck, missing his head by mere inches

The whole thing would make a cracking film.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tasers fired at gunman Raoul Moat 'not approved'
paulzolo wrote:
It was an incredibly odd sequence of events, consisting of:

1 - Three shootings by Moat resulting in one death and two seriously injured by a mentally unstable ex con who can't accept that his ex girlfriend us seeing someone else

2 - Declaring war on the police

3 - Writing a letter which ran to over 40 pages which could be summarised thus: "you'll never take me alive"

4 - A whole town practically closed and patrolled by armed police

5 - RAF fighter jets scrambled to help in the man hunt

6 - The unexpected appearance if a jaded old sportsman

7 - A final stand off ending in a suicide where Moat shot himself in the neck, missing his head by mere inches

The whole thing would make a cracking film.

Can I suggest Mel Gibson for the role? He is current going method for the role. :D
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