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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:19 pm ]
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy ... third.html

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In the Coalition’s first annual energy statement to the Commons, Chris Huhne, the Energy Secretary, outlined plans to transform Britain’s power system and cut carbon emissions by 80 per cent within the next 40 years. He announced 32 separate measures, from the use of smart meters in all homes to a major expansion of renewable energy sources, including a new generation of nuclear power stations and up to 44,000 wind turbines.
However, Mr Huhne’s department admitted that such policies could increase the price of electricity by up to a third and gas by up to a fifth. This would make the average family’s annual energy bill of £1,100, £300 more expensive.
To offset this, the Energy Secretary said people would have to make “ambitious” cuts in their own consumption and improve the energy efficiency of their homes, including installing energy generators such as solar panels.

Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:37 pm ]
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Hmm - we have a fireplace with a back boiler. Maybe we should look at log fires in winter instead of using the gas fire.

Author:  pcernie [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:25 pm ]
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Mr Huhne’s department admitted that such policies could increase the price of electricity by up to a third and gas by up to a fifth. This would make the average family’s annual energy bill of £1,100, £300 more expensive.

To offset this, the Energy Secretary said people would have to make “ambitious” cuts in their own consumption and improve the energy efficiency of their homes, including installing energy generators such as solar panels.


What are the energy bill's like on Huhne’s planet? :roll:

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:27 am ]
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If the government actually expanded the home front grant scheme then these increases might not be so bad. Though I expect that will be cut.

Author:  big_D [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:50 am ]
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How much does the government in the UK give as a grant for installing solar water heating or electricity panels?

We get a pretty good grant here. It is something we aer looking at doing, when we have the roof redone (it has insulation from the 70s, so v. cold in winter and v. hot in summer... We have put in a couple of modern radiators and we have filled the radiator niches with insulation material (traditional German design from the 70s had the rads sunk into the wall, which meant a single brick thickness outside... Great for space saving, crap for energy efficiency.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:47 am ]
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The energy grants are not that generous here in the UK, up to a few thousand and you do not even see the money it is done by contractors who deal with the government through the warm front agency. Also we do not have a government committed to renewables, which I know that the Germans are. 100% renewables by 2050 is the plan there. Very good for the balance of trade for Germany as well.

Author:  paulzolo [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:06 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
The energy grants are not that generous here in the UK, up to a few thousand and you do not even see the money it is done by contractors who deal with the government through the warm front agency. Also we do not have a government committed to renewables, which I know that the Germans are. 100% renewables by 2050 is the plan there. Very good for the balance of trade for Germany as well.


This explains the number of phone calls we have and visits from various outfits trying to sell cavity wall insulation, double glazing and loft insulation. We don’t have cavity walls, and we have double glazing and the loft is insulated. They just don’t give up. Clearly they are chasing the government money before it dries up.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:29 am ]
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Yes that happened before. The money would run out and people would have to wait till the next year. Some probably needed it last winter and are probably getting it done now.

Author:  Nick [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:01 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
The energy grants are not that generous here in the UK, up to a few thousand and you do not even see the money it is done by contractors who deal with the government through the warm front agency.


Which is a good thing!

It means the consumer doesn't have to stump up the cash initially, and they can avoid all the paperwork.

My grand-parents got their cavity wall and loft insulation done recently and it cost them £199 IIRC

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:40 pm ]
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I think that it is a good thing and really should be open to more people. Particularly low paid who are currently outside the scheme at the moment.

Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:58 pm ]
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save and reduce energy usage and the prices go up and up and up
there must be something retailers can learn from this …

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:42 pm ]
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MrStevenRogers wrote:
save and reduce energy usage and the prices go up and up and up
there must be something retailers can learn from this …

We have a very poorly regulated market. I would rather the prices of low users have their prices capped for very low use, and the price goes up the more you use. Rather then the more you use the bigger the discount. If the prices were capped and regulated for 90% of normal household use then people will have incentives to keep below that cap. Above that cap the energy companies can make their money back by charging more. A ban on transaction charges and discounts would mean that prepayment users would not be penalised. It would mean that for most people the charges will rise in line with affordability. And so if prices for the lowest users rise by a third they will rise more for bigger users.

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