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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Photographer deemed 'terror threat' by Echo arena

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-me ... e-10872590

Quote:
Bosses at Liverpool's Echo Arena are reviewing their security policy after a disabled amateur photographer was told he posed a terror threat.

Mike Evans said he was left "dumbfounded" when he was told by staff if he did not stop taking photographs they would call the anti-terror police.

The 41-year-old, who has osteoporosis of the spine, had been taking snaps of the Mersey estuary by the docks.

Echo Arena managers have also apologised for any distress caused.

Mr Evans and his brother were adamant with the two security guards that they were only taking photographs of the estuary - their cameras were not even pointed towards the concert venue, they said.

'Total dampener'
Despite showing the guards the regulations under sections 43 and 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 - which state there is "no restriction on people taking photographs in public places or of any building other than in very exceptional circumstances", the guards dismissed their protests.

"It put a total dampener on the day to be honest," Mr Evans, a father of two said, "We showed them the photos we had taken but they still did not leave us alone.

"In fact, they even said that CCTV was recording us and they would be able to tell if we got some snaps of the arena."

Echo Arena's Tim Banfield added: "We apologise for any distress caused.

"We have no desire to restrict amateur and professional photographers with a genuine interest.

"But with the best interests of visitor and guest safety we must show due diligence and we are currently in the process of reviewing our security policy."

Author:  snowyweston [ Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Photographer deemed 'terror threat' by Echo arena

One day I'll venture to Liverpool and take photos of Echo, afterall I did work on it, and no one will stop me. No one.

Author:  timark_uk [ Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Photographer deemed 'terror threat' by Echo arena

It's becoming less and less unusual to read these kinds of stories now.
It's really infuriating that the police are seemingly ignorant to the law, and are openly flouting this ignorance without any fear of being reprimanded.
Just recently a press photographer was taking shots outside the police cordon at a crime scene when approached by police and forced to delete images from the camera card she was using - despite the fact that a court order has to be obtained before any images can be deleted.
The police are now apparently investigating the incident.
It doesn't help instil confidence in the people that are supposed to be protecting us when they show disregard/ignorance of the law they are supposed to be upholding, does it?

Mark

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Photographer deemed 'terror threat' by Echo arena

Cameron is looking for ways to make savings. Stop these sorts of incidents in the first place. Then they would not need to be investigated. A legal challenge will cost at least £30 000 so train the officers properly in the first place and if they make a decision that is clearly over stepping the mark then punish them. Demote them so that they have to spend a few more years at a lower pay grade just to get back to where they were. A few cases of that and you will see the law being applied properly.

Author:  l3v1ck [ Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Photographer deemed 'terror threat' by Echo arena

It's a shame that people have to carry around a copy of section 44 to try to ensure they're not bullied by these jobs worths.

Author:  paulzolo [ Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Photographer deemed 'terror threat' by Echo arena

timark_uk wrote:
It's becoming less and less unusual to read these kinds of stories now.
It's really infuriating that the police


This is private security guards being idiotic, not police.

Author:  okenobi [ Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Photographer deemed 'terror threat' by Echo arena

paulzolo wrote:
timark_uk wrote:
It's becoming less and less unusual to read these kinds of stories now.
It's really infuriating that the police


This is private security guards being idiotic, not police.


Private security guards are currently being given "police" powers.

People in uniform as a whole (as an admittedly generalised group) - are the problem. Human beings are the answer. Asking someone in a uniform to think and not just use their power as THEY see fit, is like asking Isildur to give up the One Ring.

Author:  veato [ Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Photographer deemed 'terror threat' by Echo arena

Private security? I'd have told him quite cleary to get [LIFTED]. Then when the police came I'd tell them the same. Then where their super came if he/she still didnt take any notice of THE LAW I'd tell them to get [LIFTED] too. I'm stubborn like that. Especially when I know I'm not breaking any laws (well... apart from telling officers to get [LIFTED]!).

Author:  rustybucket [ Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Photographer deemed 'terror threat' by Echo arena

Memorise these magic words: "I'd like you to arrest me please"

Unless they're only security guards, in which case they can eat [LIFTED].

Author:  l3v1ck [ Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Photographer deemed 'terror threat' by Echo arena

veato wrote:
Private security? I'd have told him quite cleary to get [LIFTED]. Then when the police came I'd tell them the same. Then where their super came if he/she still didnt take any notice of THE LAW I'd tell them to get [LIFTED] too. I'm stubborn like that. Especially when I know I'm not breaking any laws (well... apart from telling officers to get [LIFTED]!).
+1

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Photographer deemed 'terror threat' by Echo arena

rustybucket wrote:
Memorise these magic words: "I'd like you to arrest me please"

Unless they're only security guards, in which case they can eat [LIFTED].

If they arrest you then they have to prove that you were a threat, and that would mean you could sue them for unlawful arrest.

Author:  okenobi [ Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Photographer deemed 'terror threat' by Echo arena

Amnesia10 wrote:
rustybucket wrote:
Memorise these magic words: "I'd like you to arrest me please"

Unless they're only security guards, in which case they can eat [LIFTED].

If they arrest you then they have to prove that you were a threat, and that would mean you could sue them for unlawful arrest.


Yeah, but that's all bollocks frankly. You shouldn't have to get arrested to prove a point. Plus getting arrested is massively boring, takes ages and involves more bollocks than just getting it right in the first place.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Photographer deemed 'terror threat' by Echo arena

I do agree that if they used the powers sparingly it would not be an issue but they are not using it properly. They are using it for any purpose whatsoever. My point would have been that as a person who is not a terrorist to be arrested for acts that would clearly label me as a terrorist then I would feel compelled to sue to clear my name, If it cost the police £250 000 to restore my reputation then that is the price that they should pay.

Author:  okenobi [ Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Photographer deemed 'terror threat' by Echo arena

Amnesia10 wrote:
I do agree that if they used the powers sparingly it would not be an issue but they are not using it properly. They are using it for any purpose whatsoever. My point would have been that as a person who is not a terrorist to be arrested for acts that would clearly label me as a terrorist then I would feel compelled to sue to clear my name, If it cost the police £250 000 to restore my reputation then that is the price that they should pay.


Yeah, IF you get arrested. MY point is that it shouldn't come to that and it's best avoided if at all possible - regardless of the rights/wrongs/legality of the situation in question.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Photographer deemed 'terror threat' by Echo arena

I agree that it should be avoided but lets not forget that people with power do trend to abuse it at times. The case of Walter Wolfgang being arrested under terrorism laws for heckling the Home Secretary was clearly wrong and the Home Secretary should have resigned for allowing this law to be misused.

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