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Probe after Taser struck girl, 14, in Stapleford
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Amnesia10
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belchingmatt
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14 year old out after 22:00. If she'd been at home in bed she wouldn't have been shot. Parental negligence is to blame here. 
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jonbwfc
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Well it's a factor but let's be honest here, a police officer firing any kind of weapon and hitting the wrong person? That's pretty much unforgiveable. The guy will be lucky if he just gets desked.
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If the guy was struggling and dodge the shot, I don't see this as being anything more than a simple accident. if the PC Wally can't aim the device and she was standing in a totally different direction, he should get remedial training and a reprimand and the girl should probably get compensation...
Out after 22:00? It doesn't say whether it was actually on the street or whether it was a private house...
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l3v1ck
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Well it is the holidays and it's still light at night. Normally I'd agree with you, but I'll give parents a bit of leway at this time of year for letting their children stay out.
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| Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:29 am |
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If you miss then retraining is a must or probably better is that you are banned from using one ever again. As for her being out, she could have come out because the kerfuffle was outside her home. Perfectly acceptable. Even if it were not and she was going home there is nothing wrong with that. She could have been at a friends. _________________Do concentrate, 007... "You are gifted. Mine is bordering on seven seconds." https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTg5MzczNTkhttp://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwx404couk-21
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JJW009
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You should never discharge a weapon if there's any danger to an innocent party. At the best, it shows poor judgement.
Unless the girl actually jumped in front!
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EddArmitage
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At the end of the day it's only a Taser. I've not been shot by one, but by most accounts it's rather unpleasant but that's it. If she was in close proximity to the suspect, and got hit, then it's certainly unlucky, and if the officer who discharged the weapon is making a habit of this he could probably do with re-training before he's allowed to use it again.
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| Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:41 am |
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Amnesia10
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Yes but some segments of the police want them all to be armed. In which case this would be a dead girl now. _________________Do concentrate, 007... "You are gifted. Mine is bordering on seven seconds." https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTg5MzczNTkhttp://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwx404couk-21
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rustybucket
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We don't know that - which is why they're having a probe. Tasers aren't exactly a precision weapon after all. It could be a perfectly reasonable case of the charge head going off at a funny angle. _________________Jim
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Amnesia10
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Yes but they are aimed at the torso so odds are that she would have been hit on her torso. Also while the bullet may not always kill the blood loss and shock can do more damage than realised. I am in support of specialised police units being armed but not the average bobby.
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| Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:57 am |
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rustybucket
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I'm with you on this one - have you seen the average bobby? However, in this particular case, we still don't know why the girl was hit instead of the target. It could have been due to: - Deficient training
- Insufficient training
- Weapon malfunction
- Inappropriate use
- Environmental conditions e.g. wind
- Improper weapon preparation and storage
Until we do know what actually happened, IMO it's a little early to use this as a stick to beat the Dibble with. _________________Jim
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EddArmitage
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I think the decision to discharge a weapon is made a lot more easily when dealing with Tasers, and that, say, an officer may fire a "95%" shot with a Taser, where as an armed officer would only obviously shoot if they felt certain. And then there's the weapon accuracy issues described by Rusty. With reduced-consequence weapons the accuracy does not need to be so high.
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EddArmitage
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 | | | | rustybucket wrote: I'm with you on this one - have you seen the average bobby? However, in this particular case, we still don't know why the girl was hit instead of the target. It could have been due to: - Deficient training
- Insufficient training
- Weapon malfunction
- Inappropriate use
- Environmental conditions e.g. wind
- Improper weapon preparation and storage
Until we do know what actually happened, IMO it's a little early to use this as a stick to beat the Dibble with. | | | | |
I don't think there's a word there I disagree with.
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| Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:15 am |
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belchingmatt
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Better to be hit accidentally by a non-lethal weapon, isn't that a benefit of tasers. Well except for the resultant fatalities. I can't help but wonder if the officer involded had the same expression as the officer with the taser from the Raoul Moat case.
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