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Author:  pcernie [ Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:54 pm ]
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Epic design boss Cliff 'Cliffy B' Bleszinski has observed that there is a culture amongst shooter fans of "hating sequels" - but that many fall back in love with a series in time for its third iteration.

Bleszinski is busy working on Epic's own Gears Of War 3 - and believes the game might get more love from core fans than its predecessor.

"For some reason in the shooter world, there's this thing about hating sequels," he told the latest issue of OXM, as part of a huge nine-page GOW3 feature.

"Everyone loved Halo and a lot players were like: 'Halo 2 sucked!' Everyone loves Counterstrike and then Source comes out, 'that sucks!' Quake 2, Gears 2, every single shooter...'"

He added: "And then the third one is somehow the one where everyone's like: 'Oh, it's going to be a lot more like 1, remember you like 1, right?'... In some ways, maybe the original was better but in many ways users are in love with the memory, you're competing with the memory of your own success - which is a very difficult thing to do."

You've got our full faith, Cliff - not least because you've implemented dedicated servers for Gears 3.

The title's arrival has been delayed until late next year.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/ar ... ?id=270553

Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:22 pm ]
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Maybe it's because the sequels actually suck and are poor in comparison to the originals?

Author:  adidan [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:22 am ]
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cloaked_wolf wrote:
Maybe it's because the sequels actually suck and are poor in comparison to the originals?

Quite possibly. A well received first game followed by a sequel that doesn't sell as well would, I'm sure, have lost of people in a office going "WTF, but the first one sold really well and people liked it, we best try extra hard for the third one"...

Author:  Fogmeister [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:34 am ]
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I loved Halo 2 and actually preferred it to the original.

Also HL2 and Battlefield 2.

Author:  veato [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:31 am ]
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Uncharted 2?
Battlefield 2?
Battlefield Bad Company 2?
Doom 2?
Resident Evil 2?
Half Life 2?
Time Splitters 2?

I'll stop there, it's getting boring.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:01 am ]
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cloaked_wolf wrote:
Maybe it's because the sequels actually suck and are poor in comparison to the originals?

Probably because they were released as quickly as possible to jump on the bandwagon. Games do not have to be released every year. Even if they wait a number of years between releases if the game is good it will not matter.

Author:  Fogmeister [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:29 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
cloaked_wolf wrote:
Maybe it's because the sequels actually suck and are poor in comparison to the originals?

Probably because they were released as quickly as possible to jump on the bandwagon. Games do not have to be released every year. Even if they wait a number of years between releases if the game is good it will not matter.

Case in point, Half Life 2.

Half Life - released 1998.
Half Life 2 - release November 2004.

Nearly a 7 year gap and both of them truly awesome games!

Author:  pcernie [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:51 pm ]
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Lol, the upcoming Duke Nukem will blow everyone away ;)

Author:  Fogmeister [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:53 pm ]
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pcernie wrote:
Lol, the upcoming Duke Nukem will blow everyone away ;)

LOL!

Although isn't this a threequel?

Duke Nukem - Duke Nukem 3D - Duke Nukem Forever

:lol:

Although I question whether the original warrants a place in the series?

Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:08 pm ]
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I thought it went Duke Nukem, Duke Nukem 2, Duke Nukem 3D, Duke Nukem Forever, making it a fourquel?

Author:  finlay666 [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:06 pm ]
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cloaked_wolf wrote:
I thought it went Duke Nukem, Duke Nukem 2, Duke Nukem 3D, Duke Nukem Forever, making it a fourquel?

Duke Nukem:Manhattan Project

It's not a fivequel, it's a [LIFTED] series ;)

Author:  Fogmeister [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:58 pm ]
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cloaked_wolf wrote:
I thought it went Duke Nukem, Duke Nukem 2, Duke Nukem 3D, Duke Nukem Forever, making it a fourquel?

Indeed, you are right :D

Oops :oops:

Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:45 pm ]
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Good - because I clearly recall playing the first three!

Author:  adidan [ Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:48 am ]
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veato wrote:
Uncharted 2?

Fantastic.

Author:  finlay666 [ Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:49 am ]
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Fogmeister wrote:
cloaked_wolf wrote:
I thought it went Duke Nukem, Duke Nukem 2, Duke Nukem 3D, Duke Nukem Forever, making it a fourquel?

Indeed, you are right :D

Oops :oops:



See my post above, you missed Manhattan Project :)

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