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Last night they were back and, using the keys they took, got into the house and took the TV.
Not to sound like a sanctimonious prick, but you really should've changed the locks the very day the keys went missing.

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When you share a house, the landlord really should have Yale locks fitted. That way it can't be left unlocked.

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That stuff is highly unlikely to be insured seeing as you left the door open too.
Not so.

According to the police they say that any insurance will still cover the stuff as the people came onto our property and took it.

TBH I'm not too bothered as it wasn't my stuff.

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timark_uk wrote:
Fogmeister wrote:
Last night they were back and, using the keys they took, got into the house and took the TV.
Not to sound like a sanctimonious prick, but you really should've changed the locks the very day the keys went missing.

Mark

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When you share a house, the landlord really should have Yale locks fitted. That way it can't be left unlocked.

I asked her about this and the back door is classed as a fire escape o something and so can't have that type of lock. Apparently.

I don't know though I may have to push a bit harder on that one.

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I asked her about this and the back door is classed as a fire escape o something and so can't have that type of lock. Apparently.

I don't know though I may have to push a bit harder on that one.


Ah, so it's locked with a bolt and not a key? You can't have deadlocks on a fire escape for obvious reasons, and the law is pretty strict with HIMOs as to what constitutes a fire escape.

Having your home "violated" is a horrible feeling. Has the lock smith been yet?

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I asked her about this and the back door is classed as a fire escape o something and so can't have that type of lock. Apparently.

I don't know though I may have to push a bit harder on that one.


Ah, so it's locked with a bolt and not a key? You can't have deadlocks on a fire escape for obvious reasons, and the law is pretty strict with HIMOs as to what constitutes a fire escape.

Having your home "violated" is a horrible feeling. Has the lock smith been yet?

Yeah, the locksmith came and the landlord's PA and so I came to work.

Yes, the back door uses a twisty bolt thing to lock it, not a key.

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Nick wrote:
That stuff is highly unlikely to be insured seeing as you left the door open too.
Not so.

According to the police they say that any insurance will still cover the stuff as the people came onto our property and took it.

TBH I'm not too bothered as it wasn't my stuff.


I'd be very surprised if that was the case. A specific condition of our house insurance is that there must be signs of "forced entry".

Anyhoo I'm glad you and your stuff are all OK. :)

EDIT: As to whether this is burglary, personally I would say it fits the requirements of Section 9(a) of the Theft Act 1968 quite nicely. You don't need to "break in" to commit burglary.

Theft Act 1968 wrote:
9. — (1) A person is guilty of burglary if—

(a) he enters any building or part of a building as a trespasser and with intent to commit any such offence as is mentioned in subsection (2) below;

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According to the police they say that any insurance will still cover the stuff as the people came onto our property and took it.


I'd be very surprised if that was the case. A specific condition of our house insurance is that there must be signs of "forced entry".


Just like every other insurance policy I've ever taken the time to skim over! (two lol)

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I asked her about this and the back door is classed as a fire escape o something and so can't have that type of lock. Apparently.

How the hell does that work? A Yale can be opened from the inside without a key. With a normal lock you'd be trapped if you didn't have the key on you. :roll:

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I asked her about this and the back door is classed as a fire escape o something and so can't have that type of lock. Apparently.

How the hell does that work? A Yale can be opened from the inside without a key. With a normal lock you'd be trapped if you didn't have the key on you. :roll:


Read my post and his reply. It's bolted, not locked with a key.

All "Yale" type locks can be dead-locked from the outside. You can't open them from the inside then, so you burn and die.

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