Reply to topic  [ 23 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
Font problems 
Author Message
What's a life?
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:56 pm
Posts: 12030
Reply with quote
cloaked_wolf wrote:
Comic sans should be banned from the world IMO.


LMFTFY.

_________________
www.alexsmall.co.uk

Charlie Brooker wrote:
Windows works for me. But I'd never recommend it to anybody else, ever.


Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:02 pm
Profile
What's a life?
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:46 pm
Posts: 10022
Reply with quote
ProfessorF wrote:
cloaked_wolf wrote:
Comic sans should be banned from the world IMO.


LMFTFY.

I was originally going to post that before I felt that some kids might want to use it for artwork, and then thought some businesses might want to use it for advertising/signwriting.

_________________
Image
He fights for the users.


Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:12 pm
Profile
What's a life?
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:56 pm
Posts: 12030
Reply with quote
Well tough.
It's rubbish.
Pick another font.
There's thousands of the buggers.

_________________
www.alexsmall.co.uk

Charlie Brooker wrote:
Windows works for me. But I'd never recommend it to anybody else, ever.


Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:15 pm
Profile
I haven't seen my friends in so long
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:58 pm
Posts: 8767
Location: behind the sofa
Reply with quote
Comic Sans actually has a nice background story. It was never really meant to be used outside the classroom...

_________________
jonbwfc's law: "In any forum thread someone will, no matter what the subject, mention Firefly."

When you're feeling too silly for x404, youRwired.net


Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:33 pm
Profile WWW
What's a life?
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:27 pm
Posts: 12251
Reply with quote
JJW009 wrote:
Comic Sans actually has a nice background story. It was never really meant to be used outside the classroom...


It should never be used IN the classroom.

Quote:
Researchers at Princeton have found evidence that making something more difficult to learn improves long-term learning and information retention. More specifically, changing the typeface from something legible (like Helvetica) to something more difficult to read (like Monotype Corsiva or Comic Sans) increased retention in actual classroom settings.

http://kottke.org/11/01/comic-sans-will ... ou-smarter

Oh, crap. :shock:

_________________
All the best,
Paul
brataccas wrote:
your posts are just combo chains of funny win

I’m on Twitter, tweeting away... My Photos Random Avatar Explanation


Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:21 pm
Profile
I haven't seen my friends in so long
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:36 pm
Posts: 5150
Location: /dev/tty0
Reply with quote
cloaked_wolf wrote:
I've been trying to create extra slides in powerpoint but wanted to keep it all the same font. Helvetica-Neue works quite well and better than the first Helvetica font I tried. It also supports the extra character sets. I may well redesign from the ground up and use the same font elsewhere.
\

As long as your boss didn't do anything stupid, you should just be able to go into the formatting and styles window and change everything at once. However most users are idiots and don't use styles, if that's the case you'll have to go and do it all manually...Or build from the ground up.

cloaked_wolf wrote:
The presentation is created in Powerpoint 2010 but will be run by Libre on Ubuntu. Am I likely to run into problems ie need to install the same font?


If you use standard fonts you should be OK. It's probably best that everything is the same though, rather than some slides being in Helvetica and others being in Ariel. At least if they are all the same and none are available they should all fall back to the same font...


Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:20 pm
Profile WWW
What's a life?
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:46 pm
Posts: 10022
Reply with quote
He basically made them as "tiles" or pictures. Hence when you resize them up, the writing loses a little definition. More importantly, he can't spell and there are issues around some of the sentences. I then took these images and imported them into powerpoint. They work fine but I want to go one better.

_________________
Image
He fights for the users.


Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:30 pm
Profile
What's a life?
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:25 pm
Posts: 10691
Location: Bramsche
Reply with quote
paulzolo wrote:
big_D wrote:
...Arial is also designed to look good on the screen, whereas the Helvetica that Apple provide on OS X is designed for typographical situations.

Not wholly correct. Microsoft and Apple have very different font display systems, as you probably know. Apple’s displays the fonts as intended by the designer. If a horizontal bar crossed the boundary between two rows of pixels, you will get anti-alisaing. The horizontal bar will appear slightly grey. However, your horizontal bar will be correctly positioned in the glyph’s rendering.

Which was always one of my biggest problems with Apple. My eyes are very sensitive to unfocused things. I don't know why, but I can't look at photos that are out of focus or badly focused films in the cinema, for example, and that makes looking at the screen on OS X very tiring, because my left eye is fighting to focus the bluriness that OS X generates. I'd prefer they make it look as good as it can on the screen, as opposed to making it as faithful to paper output ideal as possible - 99% of the time, it isn't going to paper.

paulzolo wrote:
Windows behaves differently. It adjusts fonts to fit as close as it can within font pixel boundaries, so the horizontal bar will not be initialised, but moved so that it doesn’t need any antialiasing. The result is a darker, crisper appearance, but the font will not look correct when compared to its original design.

Yep, but that is much easier on the eyes. For a typographer, working on a DTP project, I can see the Apple method being more important. For somebody who has to spend all day reading text on-screen, the Microsoft way is better.

paulzolo wrote:
Microsoft’s screen fonts (Arial, Verdana, Tamoha, Trebuchet) are designed to look good on displays from the outset. They require minimal tweaking by the system, because features in the glyphs have been designed with displays in mind. So, yes, on a Windows machine, Arial may well display better than Helvetica, not because Helvetica is poorly designed, but because Helvetica undergoes a degree of massaging imposed by Windows.

I never implied that Helevtica was poorly designed, I just said that Arial was designed from the outset to work well on a screen.

I love Helvetica as a printed font.

_________________
"Do you know what this is? Hmm? No, I can see you do not. You have that vacant look in your eyes, which says hold my head to your ear, you will hear the sea!" - Londo Molari

Executive Producer No Agenda Show 246


Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:53 am
Profile ICQ
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic   [ 23 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 61 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
Designed by ST Software.