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Details of UK website visits 'to be stored for year'

Details of UK website visits 'to be stored for year' - BBC News
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34715872

I'm sure you already know where I stand on that evil cow and the ideas that were planted in her otherwise empty skull, but what do you personally make of the draft bill?

It's yet more undeserved power for those who have already abused it on an industrial scale IMO.

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They tried 6 months here and the ECJ told them it was illegal and they had to go back and rethink how they could implement such a law.

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Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:53 am

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Re: Details of UK website visits 'to be stored for year'

The issue I have is going to be tying traffic to an indivdual. If the family home is covered by wifi, there's a laptop for each of the parents and several mobile devices some of which are shared, they're going to really struggle to say 'this website was visited by that person' with any degree of confidence at all.

Once again, a home secretary is pushing forward legislation that doesn't appear to cope very well with the actual realities of what it is supposed to be doing.

Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:30 am

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	jonbwfc wrote: Once again, a home secretary is pushing forward legislation that doesn't appear to cope very well with the actual realities of what it is supposed to be doing.

and of course anyone who wants to hide anything will just use VPN / TOR etc

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Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:51 am

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	jonbwfc wrote: The issue I have is going to be tying traffic to an indivdual. If the family home is covered by wifi, there's a laptop for each of the parents and several mobile devices some of which are shared, they're going to really struggle to say 'this website was visited by that person' with any degree of confidence at all. Once again, a home secretary is pushing forward legislation that doesn't appear to cope very well with the actual realities of what it is supposed to be doing.

I think this is more to do with legitimising the mass data collection programmes they already have in place. Everyone knows this has no hope of detecting/stopping individual serious criminals and terrorists.

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Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:17 am

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	jonbwfc wrote: The issue I have is going to be tying traffic to an indivdual. If the family home is covered by wifi, there's a laptop for each of the parents and several mobile devices some of which are shared, they're going to really struggle to say 'this website was visited by that person' with any degree of confidence at all. Once again, a home secretary is pushing forward legislation that doesn't appear to cope very well with the actual realities of what it is supposed to be doing.

You're not wrong

Only 'tiny handful' of ministers knew of mass surveillance, Clegg reveals | Politics | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/n ... ish-spying


	Quote: Clegg writes: “When I became deputy prime minister in 2010, I was the leader of a party that had been out of government for 65 years. There were a lot things that we had to re-learn, and a lot that was surprising and new. “When a senior official took me aside and told me that the previous government had granted MI5 direct access to records of millions of phone calls made in the UK – a capability that only a tiny handful of senior cabinet ministers knew about – I was astonished that such a powerful capability had not been avowed to the public or to parliament and insisted that its necessity should be reviewed.

We already know the intelligence committee (chaired by intelligent Mr Rifkind) didn't have a clue or didn't care from their whitewash 'investigation'.

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Re: Details of UK website visits 'to be stored for year'

The snooper’s charter: one misspelled Google search for ‘bong-making’ and you’ll be in an orange jumpsuit | Frankie Boyle | Comment is free | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... rveillance


	Quote: The government insists, as it tries to scrap the Freedom of Information Act, that only people who have something to hide should worry. People who run for public office will be afforded privacy, while our private lives will become public property. Having our privacy exposed is particularly crushing for the British – a nation for whom the phrase: “How are you?” really means: “Please say one word, then leave me alone.” So why have they just accepted this? Well, for a lot of people it’s the only hope that anyone will ever read their tweets.

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	Quote: Of course, the government has been reading our social media messages for 15 years. Imagine the celebrations at GCHQ when they see a young couple they used to watch sexting, then wanking on Skype, post their first kid’s school uniform pics on Facebook. In its own way, it must be quite touching.

From the same article

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Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:12 am

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Re: Details of UK website visits 'to be stored for year'

hifidelity2 wrote:


	jonbwfc wrote: Once again, a home secretary is pushing forward legislation that doesn't appear to cope very well with the actual realities of what it is supposed to be doing.

and of course anyone who wants to hide anything will just use VPN / TOR etc

You’ll probably find that TOR and VPNs will become more wide spread.


	Quote: But the dark net won't stay dark for long. Because of a demand for secure internet access and user privacy, soon enough big businesses, newspapers, internet companies - and then all of us - will join the dark net. Within five years, you'll be able to choose to access your favourite brands on either the dark or the normal net.

http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive ... net-access

I think we’ll be seeing a battle between businesses and governments as encryption, especially end to end, becomes more of an issue, and the requirement for “back doors” will be legislated for.


	Quote: Apple CEO Tim Cook has warned the UK faces "dire consequences" if it passes the government's recently revealed draft surveillance bill. The Investigatory Powers Bill seeks to give officials permission to capture web browsing metadata of every UK citizen, and would introduce sweeping reforms to oversight procedures. It would also force internet companies to assist investigators in bypassing encryption on messaging apps and other services - the so-called 'backdoor' requirement.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/201 ... rveillance

We don‘t know what those “dire consequences” will be, whether it means that tech companies start to pull out of the UK market, or whether it means that we’ll get watered down, insecure devices. We may get out shiny iPhones and Android devices, but you may not be able to run your favourite apps on them any more because countries outside of the UK won’t trust the data integrity.

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