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Completely agree that cars are LHD friendly. In the days when I had a Tomtom, I would fix it to the lower right edge of the windscreen. It meant that it didn't block the view of the road and that I could operate it using my right hand. It's been seven years or so of having a built-in satnav in my car and I'm much more adept at using my left hand to program it. That is, provided I'm navigating to a previously programmed address. Typing in a new address is much easier and safer with the car stationary.

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Another problem is with rotary menu navigation. In my boss' Audi A8, the jogwheel is backwards - anti-clockwise to go down the menu, clockwise to go up. It took us ages to figure out why. Then I sat in the passenger seat and fiddled with the jogwheel. Instantly, it made total sense to have clockwise go up. When I switched back to the driver's side, it was a nightmare again. There's even a little trackpad thingy you can use with handwriting recognition - using the hand that for most people has literally never written a damned thing.

Then there's the problem of volume knobs. In a RHD car, I need the volume knob to be either in the middle or, preferably, on the RHS. Go on Amazon and try to find a decent car stereo with the volume knob on the right. I can't find one - can you? In order to change source, I have to reach past the usb stick and the aux cable (hopefully not knocking them) and try to press the button I can't see that's hidden on the wrong side of the volume knob I can barely reach.

Meanwhile what buttons are there for my right hand to deal with? The windows. That I never use. Because I have aircon.

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I can sort of see the handedness being a problem, although as a lefty, I have no problems with a LHD car...

But why doesn't the job wheel make sense? Anti-clockwise on volume and tuning dials has always been "down the scale" and clockwise "up the scale", so anti-clockwise to go down the menu and clockwise to go up it makes sense to me...

Volume, tuning and source have all been accessible on the steering wheel on my last 4 cars (2002 on), so I rarely use the controls on the radio - the only one I ever need is the menu for making a phone call, but that is way over on the right and difficult to reach on my Citroen C3.

But I get your point and now understand where the problem lies.

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Controls in LHD cars are always changed in a minimal way when for the RHD market. My car, for example, has no real change in the location of certain buttons and other "features" that the LHD has, and they make more sense for that configuration. For example, the coin tray is on the driver's side, and the cigar lighter (yes, that's what it's called - but it has a USB socket in it now) is on the passenger side. The shaping on the console where the hand brake is favours LHD use too. Not by too much, but by enough. You'll probably find that the windscreen het blowers favours the left side of the windscreen more than the right.

In the new Citroens, the USB socket is always on the passenger side (on LHD models), same with the cigar lighter socket - in fact in many of the bigger models, they are hidden away and are no accessible when driving, you have to physically reach under the passenger side of the dash to access them - on my C3 they are on the right hand side of the middle console.

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Completely agree that cars are LHD friendly. In the days when I had a Tomtom, I would fix it to the lower right edge of the windscreen. It meant that it didn't block the view of the road and that I could operate it using my right hand. It's been seven years or so of having a built-in satnav in my car and I'm much more adept at using my left hand to program it. That is, provided I'm navigating to a previously programmed address. Typing in a new address is much easier and safer with the car stationary.

The last 2 cars I had with built in sat-nav actually blocked all data input (including setting addresses, other than the favourite list), when the vehicle was in motion. You could change the temperature on the touch screen and the radio station or audio source, but changing any settings or changing destination was blocked until the vehicle was stationary for safety reasons. I find that a very good idea, even if it is frustrating, when you have a passenger in the car, who could enter the new destination.

That said, for the 2 times a year (on average) that I used the navigation, it wasn't that much of a problem.

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It can't be that hard to link the lock out to the passenger seat sensor - if there's someone in the passenger seat (and the airbag hasn't been deactivated indicating a child seat) then leave the settings accessible, otherwise lock it out while the vehicle is in motion.

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It can be overridden. I know in the VW satnav system I have, the unit stops playing DVDs once you reach 10mph but there's software to upload to the satnav to circumvent this.

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Or you could just put something heavy on the passenger seat.

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Or you could just put something heavy on the passenger seat.

In my car, that used to set off the alarm for passenger seatbelt. Very frustrating when you put your gym bag on the passenger seat. So I disabled the sensor.

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