http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/m ... in-society

I can't help thinking 'women's rights' (oversimplified for brevity!) shouldn't come at the cost of the campaigns for others. Mind you, it does raise the notion of groups uniting to be stronger and asking for change across the board instead of distinct groups.

On the female issue, I think a major problem is that women tend to be divisive amongst each other! That's really bad from a starting point of lower pay, sexism, historical patriarchy, you name it.

Bollocks. There are any number of groups of people who are more marginalised than 'women', as if you could marginalise 50% of the population anyway. Try having a diagnosed mental illness for a start..

No, her songs have just been [LIFTED] for years.

Marginalised how?

I've had more female bosses than male bosses through my career. And they generally seem to have more rights than I do, at least in the workplace.

I think that statement is a bit crazy.
There's still work to do to improve equality, in particular parental leave sharing, and fair promotion systems in companies.


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Ah, Okay. Here the father also has the same entitlement to paternity leave as the mother to maternity leave.

Maybe I've just worked for "progressive" companies, but I have never seen that women are disadvantaged in promotion chances, in fact in most of them there were seemingly more women managers than men.

Women have to be quite ruthless and nasty, or exhibit men behaviour to be promoted. Generally women get promoted on proven abilities when men get promoted on potential.


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That may be your experience but I've had female bosses that exhibited none of those behaviours.


The people doing the promoting are idiots unless they consider both.

The same here, the female bosses have generally been much more pleasant to work for, they are more understanding and generally better people orientated.

I've worked for different teams and specialists. I've worked with:

- male seniors who are arrogant, aggressive, demeaning, rude etc
- male seniors who are pleasant, caring, understanding etc
- female seniors who are arrogant, aggressive, demeaning, rude etc
- female seniors who are pleasant, caring, understanding etc

I've always respected those who don't show arrogance or aggression when in stressful situations and are able to think things through rather than ranting, and have tried to model myself on them.

No. Madge is talking out of her ar$e.

Most of my bosses have been female, and only one of them didn't go on the defensive over the slightest issue. The blokes have all been easy going.

http://everydaysexism.com

A lot of the TV/Film production offices I've experienced have been run by women.
On one occasion, I was told that I was only hired because I was big and strong and could move boxes of paper around easily. Yeah, thanks for that - this is a career I'm looking for, not exercise tips.
A lot of those women have been complete bitches. Not all, but most.

Where I work now does have a bit of a problem with promoting women. The only female member of the senior management team will retire in a few months. At the moment, unless an external applicant has ovaries, the only replacements being bandied about are male.

I'm not a woman, so I can't speak about their experience with much authority. However, if a lot of women are saying that they experience sexism daily and aren't afforded the same privilege as men, then perhaps there's something to it.
It is, after all, demonstrable that you're probably going to earn less than a man with the same qualifications performing the same job. Or at least I've seen that where I work, but I've seen that mentioned else where.

"The plural of' anecdote' is not 'evidence'".


I would say that, IMO, it seems to generally boil down to the issue that women aren't afforded the same privileges as some men are. And the comparison always seems to be between the two (e.g. men who are CEOs vs. women who aren't), which to me completely ignores the large mass of the population, both male and female, who are largely neither sinner nor sinned against. Nobody wants to be a morlock and everybody feels like they should be an eloi and they aren't because somebody, somewhere isn't treating them fairly. I can only quote something posted in the wake of Terry Pratchett's death..



The universe is not 'fair'. It just is. Make of it what you will, better or worse than it was when you entered it. Be kind to everyone you meet, whatever their genes have made them, and maybe they'll be kind to you as well. But don't expect the universe to change because it really doesn't care about you very much at all.


It's not where I work. Same grade = same money and the presence or absence of X & Y chromosomes is irrelevant.

And that, dear reader, is perhaps the worst excuse for man's folly.
Discrimination of whatever colour cannot simply be shrugged off by saying 'Gee, ain't the universe a tough place?', for then we may as well all vote for Farage.
What you can do, however, is take a broad look at the figures. Numbers are good. They provide insight without emotion. How you read them is another matter, but the data is out there.
Take away colour, 'race' or ethnic background, and you're still left with the fact that in Europe's top 100 companies, 89% of the executive committees are male.
Given that women have long been able to enjoy the same level of education and experience as those men, why is there the disparity?
Do women not want to have those jobs?