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Who would you have as the new Labour leader? 
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It's OK to change your mind based on new evidence, people are allowed to change their minds.

I didn't and haven't changed my mind about Blair's team, embodied by David Blunkett, I thought it was a fantastic political team, and still do, I think the Labour party need that element. I think also, that you need to give a voice to people, you need to provide more than one option for the country.

That's the thing about change, you have to go against the grain, by definition. Whether he will be leader for very long or, indeed ever be Prime Minister, I strongly doubt. But he's only been leader for an hour now. Let's see what happens.


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Ok, but the guy with the let's-print-million-pound-notes-and-give-one-to-everybody-so-nobody-is-poor plan just took over a major national party. What comes next is just the second half of a farce.

He was better off on the margins, where you can complain about reality without ever having to intersect with it.


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Donald Trump duped into retweeting picture of Jeremy Corbyn (and some murderers)
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... emy-corbyn

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Labour frontbenchers rule out serving in Corbyn's shadow cabinet | Politics | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ow-cabinet

Good. They're friggin' weak careerists. It'll be interesting to see if they become saboteurs with it.

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The defence secretary, Michael Fallon, started the Tory attack on Corbyn, saying: “This is a very serious moment for our country. Labour are now a serious risk to our nation’s security, our economy’s security and your family’s security. Whether it’s weakening our defences, raising taxes on jobs and earnings, racking up more debt and welfare or driving up the cost of living by printing money – Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour party will hurt working people.”


The nation's security? Has he met Theresa May? Or our totally corrupt and inept security services?

Economy security - our real level of debt hasn't changed, just the 'facts'.

Family security? From IDS? Ozzy? Hunt? They'd sell disabled and sick people if they could get away with it.

Then you've got 'weakening defences', which is a right joke when you consider how laughably tragic the MOD and our armed forces currently are. Using the TA to fight wars, a lack of just about every vehicle used in modern warfare and billions down the drain.

Raising taxes on jobs and earnings. Who exactly is he talking about there? :? Wouldn't be rich Tory friends would it?

Debt and welfare. Natural parts of any humane, modern country unless the inhumane are in charge. 'Racking up more welfare', really? Is that how abhorrent you find helping people, that welfare can be used as a disgusting term?

And finally, printing money. From the party who is selling off every cash cow/state asset and ostensible pension plan they can. Yeah, you can piss off to your four hours a month 'consultancy' job early, mate.

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Fallon is a moron. I actually do kind of mean that correctly. I've never seen a politician who is more 'Tory Boy plus 30 years'. Worse than Gove even. I know quite a few people in the armed forces and they all believe he's an utter idiot. I think even a lot of intelligent tories find him faintly embarrassing, like the mad uncle who get drunk and drops his trousers at weddings. I can only assume given he keeps getting jobs he's either got very powerful relatives or a few incriminating photographs.
For example, he simply doesn't realise that if you're going to smear an opponent, it works much better if the smears you're putting out are credible. Just screaming 'But, but.. he'll KILL US ALL' isn't going to make any difference at all, because the only people who will believe it are absolutely unshift able tory voters anyway.


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i believe that this sums up many unanswered question in regard to the new Labour leader
he is not seeking to become PM if it happens it would be a result but that is not the intention ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34231943

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MrStevenRogers wrote:
i believe that this sums up many unanswered question in regard to the new Labour leader
he is not seeking to become PM if it happens it would be a result but that is not the intention ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34231943


I'm reminded of Douglas Adams' maxim about those who wish to lead and those who don't...


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you maybe very very close to the mark but i believe you are missing the major ingredient ...

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Small LOL from John Prescott who, on being told that shadow health minister Jamie Reed had resigned even before Corbyn had finished his acceptance speech, replied 'Who?'

This is to me the main problem the Blairist/Anti-Corbyn faction in the PLP will have in the future - nobody gives a flying [LIFTED] about any of them. Most of them are completely anonymous, grey, career politicians who have had virtually zero impact and therefore would not be missed if they went up in smoke. And this pretty much goes for all of them up to and including the other leadership candidates, let alone some of the small fish. One in 20 of the party's followers thought Liz Kendall was good enough to lead the party, does she really think anyone will be bothered if she's not in the shadow cabinet come Tuesday?

Again, it's a bizarre reflection of the fact the PLP simply hasn't come to terms with reality. They lost the last two elections yet it's as if they've wiped that fact from their memory. Nobody wanted them, nobody gives a crap about any of them. Their idea of Labour politics has been decisively rejected by every part of the larger Labour party. How on earth they think they still wield any political power given all of that boggles my mind.


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The Observer says there is "much evidence to suggest voters will resoundingly reject Corbynism in its current form if he makes it to the next election".

"History and common sense suggest that Labour only wins when voters feel they can trust the party to run the economy and to be a guardian of public spending.

"New polling published by Lord Ashcroft last week reinforces what poll after poll has suggested since the May election: voters deserted Labour for the Conservatives in 2015 because they had serious doubts about Ed Miliband and they feared a Labour government would spend and borrow too much.

"Labour has a message for the poorest, and the richest, but nothing to say to the rest of the country."


The implication there is you can't trust Corbyn or Labour 'because economy'. Never mind the same stuff being said about supposedly 'Red Ed' pretty much before he'd opened his mouth, or that many business types and thinktanks have welcomed Corbyn's election and called his proposed policies sensible.

Polls like those ones before the GE? Where we'd be simultaneously goosestepping with UKIP and biting our nails at just how close the fight between the big two would be?

The notion that what Corbyn's proposing doesn't speak to the majority is laughable (NHS, education, BBC, avoiding d1ckhead wars in the Middle East), and you'd think the Observer might have had the wit to rise above staged drama.

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In the New Statesman, Laurie Penny says the argument that Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable is being made by "three candidates who can't even win an election against Jeremy Corbyn.


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Again, it's a bizarre reflection of the fact the PLP simply hasn't come to terms with reality.

Corbyn's big plan is to repair the economy and then keep issuing new currency under his "People's Quantitative Easing" plan.
When the economy is healthy, the cash created in QE has to be destroyed.
Expanding money supply would require cripplingly high interest rates or else would ignite a hyperinflationary spiral.

Corbyn and his fans are the ones indulging in a mass fantasy, pretending you can all sod around with QE without ever stopping to think what the 'Q' is for, and not expect some negative reaction.


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How can they say no one wants him when he won election by a landslide?
People want a real left wing party. This country has only had centre right, right and more right for years.


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Corbyn appoints shadow cabinet

John McDonnell as shadow Chancellor? He's even more left-wing than Corbyn.

The policies that come out of this lot are going to be total bubbles. If only there was a way to nationalise fanaticism...

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Idealist politicians given a prominent role (but not in power) will, often as not, be captured by the system and become more moderate.

To be honest, I don't think Corbyn is electable as it stands at the moment, but I'm looking forward to how well he brings the fight to the Tories. If he starts scoring points, maybe he can force them to reconsider some of their plans and drag them away for their increasingly far right trajectory.

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