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big_D
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I heard that the changes to RIPA got approved, that will make it harder to do business with Europe post Brexit.
RIPA has already been condemned by the EU courts as breaking the human rights doctrines of the EU and needed to be toned down, twice... To do business with the EU, the UK will have to follow EU data protection guidelines for any data held about EU citizens, which will not be possible with the changes to RIPA.
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Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:20 am |
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jonlumb
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:24 am |
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davrosG5
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 Yup, that seem pretty much bang on.
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:31 am |
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oceanicitl
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:31 am |
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hifidelity2
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Very good and spot on
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:38 am |
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big_D
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Yep, couldn't have summed it up better myself.
_________________ "Do you know what this is? Hmm? No, I can see you do not. You have that vacant look in your eyes, which says hold my head to your ear, you will hear the sea!" - Londo Molari
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:27 pm |
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MrStevenRogers
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i voted leave. that means leave the EU completely. no negotiations whatsoever. slap WTO on the table and walk away we have the rest of the world we can deal with ...
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:57 pm |
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davrosG5
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Really? This is the first you've said on the subject 
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:06 pm |
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MrStevenRogers
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:14 pm |
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oceanicitl
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How do you propose we trade with other countries if there are no negotiations or deals?
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:18 pm |
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MrStevenRogers
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we start to trade with the EU and the rest of the world under WTO. agreements can proceed after the basics are in place. also dont forget we will be joining NAFTA and under that umbrella deals are already in place. no negotiation only applies to the EU up until the UK have left the EU completely as you/we/the UK can not negotiate with the EU while within. then we trade under basic WTO. deals can be made with the EU after that but no other baggage can be applied other then trade deals and trading under WTO will cause more problems for the the EU then the UK and im all for giving the EU as many problems as can be enabled ...
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:23 pm |
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paulzolo
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You vote leave - but where on the ballot were the options, like that you mention, to guide our policy makers? There were none. There was no "show your working" box either where people could vent their opinions on the matter. It was a binary choice, and it's not up to you to decide what the final deal will be.
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:52 pm |
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ShockWaffle
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Where did you get that info from?
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:35 pm |
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MrStevenRogers
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on the ballot paper were two options and only two options they were LEAVE and REMAIN nothing more nothing less. it seems the minority can not understand democracy maybe the minority need another lesson in democracy at an early general election ...
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Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:30 am |
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big_D
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As has been pointed out, WTO is the default deal for schlubs who can't get a decent deal, so that they aren't totally kicked in the goolies and robbed blind.
Also, dealing with the EU is the bread and butter for many companies, because it is just a stone's throw away, and currently no import/export duties, so their products are competitive and can be transported fairly quickly. The only thing making them less competitive is the cost of the Channel crossing.
Dealing with other parts of the world means the goods have to be transported much further, meaning higher costs, and producing in the UK also isn't very economical, compared to Asia, then you have import duties to add to the price, that makes the goods even less attractive.
And judging by what I see on Amazon Germany, a lot of Brits make a living out of importing Chinese electronics and selling them in Europe. That business model will be hit on the head by Brexit.
There are a lot of things to be considered, especially with businesses, big and small, and how much they currently deal with Europe and how the changes will affect them - for many of these small retailers who specialise in delivering cheap goods to Europe, it will mean folding up their business; generally they are one of a dozen retailers advertising on Amazon and eBay and their prices are about equal to "local" companies. Slap on import duties and the hassles with customs in the target countries and nobody will use them.
For large multi-nationals, it is easier, they just open up a subsidiary in Europe, if they don't already have one. The UK subsidiaries will lose in importance and depending on the amount of business that the UK itself accounts for, many will be downsized or even closed.
Mid sized manufacturing businesses that survive by dealing with Europe will also be in a mess.
Then there is the anti-immigration thing, there the Brexiteers are looking to send back the skilled workers and often the EU skilled workers are there, because there are no UK workers (or not enough) in those fields. That will also have an affect on business as well.
I can see a spike in unemployment caused by a hard Brexit. Over the long term, it will probably level out, but it will be painful in the short term.
Also, what are you going to do about the sudden influx of ex-pat Brits who get kicked out of Europe, as they are no longer allowed to remain, because the UK is no longer part of the EU? Immigration in the EU works both ways, you know.
I hope that it isn't going to be as grim as it looks at the moment. The Brexiteers have won, but I still don't see anything coherent coming out of the UK about how they are going to deal with all those businesses that survive solely through their trade with the EU.
_________________ "Do you know what this is? Hmm? No, I can see you do not. You have that vacant look in your eyes, which says hold my head to your ear, you will hear the sea!" - Londo Molari
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