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l3v1ck
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+1 An excellent summary of what I've been trying to say.
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:14 pm |
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tombolt
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I know, it's annoying that that has to be the case. However, I personally think their Euroscepticism is simply to appease their traditional more right-wing fanbase and they don't intend to get us out of it. We are in Europe and it's not going away unless we vote in the likes of UKIP or the BNP.
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big_D
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I for the EU! Being English and living and working in Germany, I find the UK is a complete pain! I can travel and visit friends in Belgium, France, Italy, Spain without thinking about it...
Go to the UK, my money doesn't work, my debit card doesn't work etc.
I love the freedom to travel and doing business here, I have worked in Germany, France, Italy etc. that ability is great.
Sitting here, I just wish the UK would stop faffing around! Either get in or get out, but the current cherry picking mixed with xenophobia makes us a laughing stock!
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:21 pm |
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tombolt
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What big_D said!
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:22 pm |
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ProfessorF
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I'm all for the EU. If my father had his way, then he'd disband our government and we'd become a French province.
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:23 pm |
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tombolt
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Actually, what Alex said!
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MrStevenRogers
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tombolt
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Linux_User
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The "Human Rights thing" comes from the ECHR, not the EU. Personally I don't think the HRA goes far enough...it only seems to be the UK that suffers from ridiculous interpretations of it (e.g. criminal rights?) but the ECHR makes some decent rulings - such as on the retention of DNA. I'd love for the Commission to be elected - but then you'd probably get people moaning about it being a "superstate" again. I take your point on the CAP and CFP, the former is outdated and needs massive reform (if not scrapping altogether), the latter I don't know enough about to comment.
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:04 pm |
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Linux_User
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 |  |  |  | big_D wrote: I for the EU! Being English and living and working in Germany, I find the UK is a complete pain! I can travel and visit friends in Belgium, France, Italy, Spain without thinking about it...
Go to the UK, my money doesn't work, my debit card doesn't work etc.
I love the freedom to travel and doing business here, I have worked in Germany, France, Italy etc. that ability is great.
Sitting here, I just wish the UK would stop faffing around! Either get in or get out, but the current cherry picking mixed with xenophobia makes us a laughing stock! |  |  |  |  |
+1. I want the UK to be fully in, and that includes the Euro.
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:05 pm |
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paulzolo
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 |  |  |  | Linux_User wrote:  |  |  |  | big_D wrote: I for the EU! Being English and living and working in Germany, I find the UK is a complete pain! I can travel and visit friends in Belgium, France, Italy, Spain without thinking about it...
Go to the UK, my money doesn't work, my debit card doesn't work etc.
I love the freedom to travel and doing business here, I have worked in Germany, France, Italy etc. that ability is great.
Sitting here, I just wish the UK would stop faffing around! Either get in or get out, but the current cherry picking mixed with xenophobia makes us a laughing stock! |  |  |  |  |
+1. I want the UK to be fully in, and that includes the Euro. |  |  |  |  |
+1 here too. We dilly-dally around on the edges, picking and choosing what we do and don’t want anyway, and we do this at the behest of Big Business who want the trade but not the responsibilities to their workers that the Social Chapter of Maastricht requires. I’m not fussed about Sterling as a currency. If I can buy pie with Euros, I’ll still buy pie. There is far too much emotional attachment to something which is an abstract concept and is arbitrary in value. If we changed to the Euro tomorrow, I would not weep at the loss of Sterling. Similarly, I am not fussed about national borders either. They are, again, arbitrary lines on maps drawn by tribal elders after conflicts to ensure that assets were unevenly distributed. In today’s global world, such things seem an anathema, and you will find that companies are quite happy to make up their own borders when it comes to controlling products, distribution and cash flow. Today, we should be looking at how we work and live in the planet as a whole, not how small pockets of land can amass the majority of wealth. Forming an EU “super state” would be a step in the right direction. It would also make this particular collection of islands part of an economic force which can compete effectively on a global stage.
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:41 pm |
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l3v1ck
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So we can't set interest rates to suit our own economy, and suffer the same as the Germans in recent years? No thanks.
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:11 pm |
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MrStevenRogers
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and our interest rates are very low, (these set be the BoE), its just a pity that these rates are not fully passed on by our banking system which they would have too if under EU control or regulation don't blame our interest rate problems created by our unregulated banking system on too the EU who had nothing to do with the demise of our unregulated banking system which was designed to keep the well off in the style that they had grown accustomed too at everybody's else's expense …
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:37 pm |
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Linux_User
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As shown in recent months, the base rate isn't much use to anyone - it's been a while since the banks passed on the reductions and investors have been leaving Sterling in droves. The Euro would get rid of exchange rate variations and bring increased stability.
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