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John_Vella
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:55 am Posts: 7935 Location: Manchester.
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I'll be going to vote after work. Still not sure who for though 
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jonlumb
Spends far too much time on here
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:44 pm Posts: 4141 Location: Exeter
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I'm not sure even a personal visitation from the Lord Almighty himself would cause Brown to resign or call an early election. He knows that when there is a general election that Labour are going to get the most almighty bitch-slapping at the hands of the electorate. In turn, he might as well hang on as long as possible. It is interesting to watch him, as he has clearly spent a lot of time grooming himself for the position during his time as Chancellor, and he doesn't seem to have any way of dealing with the fact that everything is collapsing round him and it is substantially his fault. Whilst I am loathe to praise Thatcher she did at least have the decency to step down when her position became untenable.
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:04 am |
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AlunD
Site Admin
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:12 am Posts: 7011 Location: Wiltshire
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I actually think using a system like Australia where you are penalised ( fines ) if you don't vote would be a bloody good idea.
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:10 am |
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DaftFunk
Occasionally has a life
Joined: Wed May 06, 2009 3:39 pm Posts: 478 Location: Peterborough
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"Would you like to point followers to http://is.gd/NYtP showing all candidates views on digital rights?"
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:11 am |
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finlay666
Spends far too much time on here
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:40 pm Posts: 4876 Location: Newcastle
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I was home last weekend but my postal vote still hadn't arrived yet so couldn't vote
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:14 am |
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HeatherKay
Moderator
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:13 pm Posts: 7262 Location: Here, but not all there.
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Ah well, cock-up not conspiracy.
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:23 am |
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paulzolo
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:27 pm Posts: 12251
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:38 pm |
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leeds_manc
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:19 pm Posts: 5071 Location: Manchester
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I'm going to vote for the media.
What? They're not the opposition. Oh well then I'll make my own mind up.
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:42 pm |
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EddArmitage
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:40 pm Posts: 5288 Location: ln -s /London ~
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Pfft! I voted on Monday!
Edd
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:43 pm |
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DoubleTouch
Has a life
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:42 pm Posts: 99
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How would this in anyway be a good idea? Surely, it completely undermines the entire point of voting?
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:57 pm |
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EddArmitage
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:40 pm Posts: 5288 Location: ln -s /London ~
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I think combined with an active "abstain" vote, it'd work. There's no way to judge lazyness and forgetfulness, from people who are intentionally abstaining. Edd
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:03 pm |
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DoubleTouch
Has a life
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:42 pm Posts: 99
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Even with that suggestion you are still undermining the system. All you are doing in that case is protecting the pre-existing political system by heavily undermining human rights, freedom of speech and democracy. Forcing someone to vote "abstain" is not the same as someone not voting at all, and to reduce the two to the same thing and then to label anyone who doesn't vote as "lazy" or forgetful" is naive.
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:40 pm |
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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People have the right to chose not to. If not enough people are voting that's the fault of politician for being untrustworthy deceitful liars. If you don't trust any of them, why waste your time voting for them. * Heads off to find a very good Scott Adams quote on Democracy * EDIT Why force someone to vote. It'll add randomness. If people care, they'll make the effort.
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:50 pm |
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EddArmitage
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:40 pm Posts: 5288 Location: ln -s /London ~
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I am labelling all who do not vote as lazy or forgetful, I am just stating that there undoubtedly a number of people on the electoral role who don't vote for these reasons. Providing some sort of penalty to those who do not acknowledge that either they are voting, or have no desire to vote for whatever reason they wish, would hopefully increase the turnout in elections, which I think is clearly an issue within the UK (T.O. for the last 2 general elections in the UK has been 59.4% and 61.4%, compared to 94.7% in the Australian Fed. election of 2007 and 94.7% in the 2003 Belgian general election, where compulsory voting is enforced). I can't see how this sort of system would undermine human rights, freedom of speech (surely it would increase it, by actually providing a means of seeing how many people do not wish to vote for any of the candidates) or democracy, but this article provides an interesting read on the subject. Edd
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:04 pm |
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eddie543
Occasionally has a life
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:53 pm Posts: 447 Location: Manchester
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if you do vote you can't moan when the person you voted for fcuks up. Works both ways.
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:24 pm |
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