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Are dying languages worth saving? 
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pcernie wrote:
Over here we have the sheer nonsense of funding Ulster-Scots and Irish for the ten people who 'speak' each, and I'm told Gerry Adams' speeches in Irish are especially laughable too...


I love that ulster scots language :lol: I have had many a foreign Irish asking me to translate it :lol:

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As for languages I am truly disgusted by the quality of English spoken and written by younger people today. I'm more worried about loss of standards in schools than English turning in to slang.


then Rusty wrote:
I could go thru your last line and find four mistakes


I can only find one thing wrong with the sentence, maybe there should be a comma after languages, otherwise it's perfect IMO. I'm interested to know why you would say there are other mistakes? :)

You could re-write it to make it more formal I suppose:

As for languages, I am truly disgusted by the quality of written and spoken English among today's youth. I'm more worried about loss of standards in schools than I am about English turning in to slang.

But really there's nothing wrong with the first sentence in an informal environment.

This TED talk is very pertinent to the original topic (and it's awesome) a very strong case for saving dying languages:
http://www.ted.com/talks/wade_davis_on_ ... tures.html

"The 20th century, a hundred years from now, is not going to be remembered for its wars or its technological innovations, but rather as the era in which we stood by and either actively endorsed or passively accepted the massive destruction of both biological and cultural diversity on the planet."


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...does it depend on why the language died? For instance there are so few Irish and Gaelic speakers because of the actions of the British Government. Should the English therefore have to pay to to keep some form of Gaelic alive? Would it have died even if the English hadn't tried to supress it?



This reminds me of the whole Alan Turing apology thing. The English may have suppressed the language, but that was the English decades ago, not us now. Should we defend/rectify the actions of our past when we (us living now) had nothing to little to do with it?


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Anybody seen the David Mitchell's Soapbox episode about Gaelic (Series 1, Episode 19)? It's about this very subject.

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For instance there are so few Irish and Gaelic speakers because of the actions of the British Government. Should the English therefore have to pay to to keep some form of Gaelic alive? Would it have died even if the English hadn't tried to supress it?

But then you look at places like Finland, for example, which was under the control of both Russia and Sweden and yet Finnish is the majority tongue.

And look at Wales, Welsh is still spoken, my cousins were taught in a Welsh speaking school but the language will only stay alive if it's people wish it so.

How would you blame the English anyway? Who were the "English" at the time and who are they now?

As for the language, it has to evolve and change otherwise it no longer remains a useable tool for the change within human society. I mean English even had gender at one time, we lost that as we don't need it. Although for some reason I do like referring to a ship or the sea as "she".

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In a word, NO.

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