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JohnSheridan
Doesn't have much of a life
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:10 pm Posts: 1057
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AV is far better then the so-called "democracy" we have now as currently people who live in safe seats feel disenfranchised so don't bother to vote.
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Paul1965
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:29 pm Posts: 5975
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+1 Give them some idea of the day to day problems faced by the general populace.
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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Osborne's a millionaire. Has been since the day he was born. Whatever 'job' he might have done between strolling out of Oxbridge and a nice safe seat, it wouldn't have given him any perspective at all of the problems faced by the 'general populace'. To quote one modern piece of prose..  |  |  |  | Quote: Rent a flat above a shop, cut your hair and get a job. Smoke some fags and play some pool, pretend you never went to school. But still you'll never get it right, cos when you're laid in bed at night, watching roaches climb the wall, if you call your Dad he could stop it all.
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:22 pm |
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John_Vella
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:55 am Posts: 7935 Location: Manchester.
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Must they? Surely there must be some MPs who ran for office, (if you'll pardon the Americanism) because they believe they can make a positive contribution and actually make a difference... mustn't there? *looks around in a slightly worried manner*
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timark_uk
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:11 pm Posts: 12143 Location: Belfast
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Yes, I really do believe that they must be. Mark
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:36 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
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Tony Benn is a good example of such high minded motives. I have no problems with people doing so as long as they do not personally benefit from the decisions that they make, such as cushy bank jobs after they leave office.
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:16 pm |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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Course what a lot of people forget is Tony Benn is also from a very privileged background. His father was Viscount of Stansgate. He went to Winchester school then new College Oxford. The major factors I assume in his political beliefs is his father was a liberal peer who defected to labour so his obvious role model is someone who didn't toe the party line and he himself served in the RAF during WWII, so you'd assume he does have some idea about how the world outside the political bubble works. Jon
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:29 pm |
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Linux_User
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Tue May 05, 2009 3:29 pm Posts: 7173
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I don't like it and I don't want it. I fear if this is brought in it will be decades before government looks at proper PR again.
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:30 pm |
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belchingmatt
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 3:16 am Posts: 6146 Location: Middle Earth
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As much as I would like it to be different, they don't really have much to complain about , do they?
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If one is diving so close to the limits that +/- 1% will make a difference then the error has already been made.
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:44 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
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Why? Their votes are useless. Any form of PR or AV might actually make voting worthwhile.
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:02 pm |
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belchingmatt
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 3:16 am Posts: 6146 Location: Middle Earth
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To emphasise, their vote may mean little or nothing, but to not vote means they have nothing to complain about.
Personally I'm for a true democracy where everybody has a vote on every issue, if only a system could be introduced that was secure.
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If one is diving so close to the limits that +/- 1% will make a difference then the error has already been made.
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:15 pm |
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Spreadie
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:06 pm Posts: 6355 Location: IoW
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Extra points if they've been made redundant and had to re-enter the jobs market. Same goes if they've had to spend 4 hours in a hospital waiting room with a sick child. If that doesn't bring them down to earth, I don't know what will.
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:36 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
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Yes a minimun number of points needed to become an MP. With points deducted for family wealth and peerages. 
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:48 pm |
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timark_uk
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:11 pm Posts: 12143 Location: Belfast
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Then you're just reversing the current system. It seems those "of privilege" are the current crop of politician - on the whole. The trouble with having the "everyman" running the country is that those with the money wouldn't want that, as it's not in their best interests (as I'm sure they'd see it that way). It's not good to have a heavy skew either one way or the other. What's needed is a balanced parliament.
Mark
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:57 pm |
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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PR is silly. A) you'd never get a majority government. B) extremists like the bnp may actually get a seat.
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:51 pm |
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