Oh, crap. I’m sorry to hear all the badness. I know you are angry, and what your brother did to you is inexcusable. But, taking the long view, if they did get married, and had kids properly in the future, would you still feel so strongly?

It’s all raw and emotional at the moment, but time will help smooth the rough edges over. You have to be strong and ride the rough waters for a while yet, it seems. Hold in there. No doubt the boyfriend can provide some support for you. Now may be a good time to take a holiday with him . I hear there’s a gathering down in Dorset next week...

Oh dear, that all sounds pretty horrible.

I hope it hasn't effected you too badly. It sounds like your mum might be taking it badly, I'd be as worried about her as I would be Keiron personally.

Families are wonderful things, aren't they?

I know you obviously hate this girls guts, but remember that he obviously doesn't. If all the family alienate him and/or make him feel unwanted then things could get much worse for everyone. I assume you still love him, and want to see him etc, even though he is going out with this twat? It's important he knows that, if it's the case.

If I were in this situation, I think I'd tell him all that ' you're still my brother' type stuff then leave him to make his decisions.

I'd just like to echo what everyone else has said, sorry to hear of the problems your family has been having. It always amazes me how quickly someone's life can unravel, to go from promising army cadet to his current situation in less than two months is truly sad.

All I can suggest is to make sure you're there to support your mum and dad - they'll be feeling it even more than you I guess. Make sure you let your boyfriend pamper you, maybe take a weekend away somewhere, just the two of you - doesn't have to be anywhere exotic, just somewhere different where you can put the situation to one side for a few days.

Your brother is young, and in time he'll come to realise how badly he's treated the people around him. I hope this happens sooner rather than later, for all your sakes. Try not to dwell on what's happened, it's now in the past - look to the future, and if your brother comes to you and apologises for his behaviour, try to forgive and forget - life's too short to hold grudges, isn't it?

Wishing you and your family the best of luck.

Sorry to hear about what has happened Kelsey, she sounds like some piece of work, and I partly feel sorry for your brother as I wouldn't imagine it is entirely his own motives but could be dragged along.

You probably know I'm pretty much constantly on msn if you wanted to chat or get anything off your mind

Chuffin' Nora, sorry to hear that Kels.

Reminds me why I don't get involved with girls any more, it breeds lunacy.

Ain't that the truth.

I'm with Paul (again. Cue inappropriate comments from a few). Try to ride it out and do the best to support your family and look after yourself. This place, just like everything else in your life, will wait if needs be.

+1

Hope things get better for you. There's nothing that can mess up a family worse than sex. This girl is obviously a nasty piece of work and knows how to manipulate your brother, but hopefully as he matures he'll see through her lies and manipulation and move on.

Until then hope it gets better for you, i'm sure your man-thing will be there for you whenever you need him =)

Good luck . you know we are here if you need us.

Bloody hell, you've really had your share of the sh!te luck that seems to be plaguing x404 forumites of late.

I hope it gets better soon!

Regards

Spreadie

Just seen this thread and I'll echo what everyone else has said.

Also that man saspro is right on both counts.

Bish

I think you can workout from the recent threads that everybody here has taken a bit of a shine to you and your quirky visions; you’re like a breath of fresh air to the forum.

Be strong and hang on in there, carry on supporting your family in the loving way you have, and if you need support and advise yourself you know where we all are.

Richie

I have dropped you a quick PM.

Perer.

That's horrible news Kels. Hope you're OK.

It's only a PM, Caz

I'm sorry, was that inappropriate? :etc:

for most people yes. For you, it was more horses for courses.