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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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he's now politically dead too, in reality. This was his best shot of getting a top job and he's not taking it. Regardless of whoever actually gets to be PM, I doubt any of them are daft enough to give Boris one of the major ministry of state jobs, if only because they all know they can't trust him as far as they could throw him.
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:45 pm |
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davrosG5
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:37 am Posts: 6954 Location: Peebo
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I suppose it's remotely possible this is another calculating move. I mean, whoever ends up as PM is going to basically be screwed because they won't be able to deliver on all the promises (lies) made by the Vote Leave lot. Let whoever ends up as PM screw up leaving then ride in in time to take over just in time for the next election (or if it looks like it's going to go tits up wait until just after the Tories have been decimated by UKIP in general election then challenge for the leadership).
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:04 pm |
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TheFrenchun
Officially Mrs saspro
Joined: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:55 pm Posts: 4955 Location: on the naughty step
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:08 pm |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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That's true apart from one factor : the rest of the Tory party. If things do get screwed up they're going to lost a significant chunk of voters, and its not as if they have all that many to spare anyway. Plus if Brexit doesn't meet people's expectations (and in reality it can't) then they're going to get even more voters defecting to UKIP, or whatever UKIP turns into.
So likely to Tory party is going to be a in a bit of a state by the next election - possibly not as much as labour, but that's another argument. If so, the Tory party isn't going to blame whichever poor sod gets the poison chalice now, they're going to blame the bloke that filled it in the first place, and that's Boris.
The crux of the matter however is this : the Tory Party are, as I say, nothing if not pragmatic. Assuming whoever gets to be leader in September is completely burned out by 2020 (there now seems much less chance of a snap general election), the decision to elect Boris as party leader then is a pretty simple one - 'Is Boris the best chance we have of maintaining power?' if the answer to that is yes, then they'll put him in the chair. If the answer to that is no, they won't.
Not standing now on the assumption he'll be the most popular candidate next time round with the Tories favourite to win an election is a very risky gamble indeed. He won't want to be leader of a Tory party that loses an election any more than he wants to be leader of a Tory party that invoked Article 50, trashes the country and 'loses' Scotland to independence (i.e not much). He wants to be PM at a time of reasonable stability, because that's easy work and it gives him the most opportunity to do what he really actually wants to do - raise the profile and wealth of Boris Johnson.
It's very possible in four years time the political landscape will be totally different to what it is now. And his opponents can have four years of repeating the 'he was the guy who made the mess then ran away' line. I don't rate his chances any better than 50/50 tbh. However as we've seen in a very stark way, a week is a very long time in politics.
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:21 pm |
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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Well he's just [LIFTED] everyone over now.
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:51 pm |
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steve74
Doesn't have much of a life
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:43 pm Posts: 1798 Location: Manchester
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Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:50 am |
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paulzolo
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:27 pm Posts: 12251
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36679741Apart from the “ooerr” headline (I really hope the BBC have a new policy to make anything to do with the Tories sound like some kind of lewd party in a basement somewhere in Soho), it’s too late now. He’s got a Twitter account.
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Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:33 am |
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TheFrenchun
Officially Mrs saspro
Joined: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:55 pm Posts: 4955 Location: on the naughty step
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Gove is going for " chose me, I'll limit immigration" I thought we knew he could not do that?
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Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:56 am |
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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They'd be foolish to elect Gove. He's the one most hated by the public.
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Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:05 pm |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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Did Jeremy Hunt actually throw his hat into the ring in the end?
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Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:17 pm |
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davrosG5
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:37 am Posts: 6954 Location: Peebo
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He doesn't appear to have. Whether that was because nobody would back him or he realised how toxic he'd be to the electorate or a combination of the two is anyone's guess.
_________________ When they put teeth in your mouth, they spoiled a perfectly good bum. -Billy Connolly (to a heckler)
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Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:37 pm |
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paulzolo
What's a life?
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A Prime Minister can't vanish from the public gaze, or hide behind a tree, if the pressure starts to mount.
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Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:54 pm |
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pcernie
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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I'd love to know what happened behind the scenes that saw Boris pull out for once in his life... Did Gove have something on him? The rest of the pro-Boris Tories seem especially angry.
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Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:53 pm |
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l3v1ck
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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Watching Question Time, it sounds like Boris went back to being his bumbling self and Gove decided he couldn't be relied upon.
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Sat Jul 02, 2016 4:58 am |
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pcernie
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