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Can someone clarify for me?

Apple want HTML5 do to be the new standard. Do Apple get anything out of that deal?

Abode want Flash to be the new standard. Do Abode get anything out of that deal?

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They own the rights to use H-264 video streaming. They don't have to let Adobe onto the iXXX and, if 99% of the need for Flash disappears, it won't be an issue.

Flash is a resource hog and one of the biggest security holes currently on the Internet - that it is also cross platform and makes security holes on Windows, OS X and Linux doesn't help Adobe's cause, neither does their lacklustre approach to security patching. A world without Flash means a safer place for Apple users and means that Apple can brag more about their security, because their biggest weakness is no longer required.

The problem is, whilst the foundation for HTML 5 has been set, they haven't agreed on the finer points, especially in the multimedia area. Ogg is 100%, h.264 is covered by patents and needs a licence, but has better quality and better compression...

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big_D wrote:
A world without Flash means a safer place for Apple users and means that Apple can brag more about their security, because their biggest weakness is no longer required.


Well I guess that is true for Microsoft and others too. Do Apple get anything financially or is HTML5 "open".

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ChurchCat wrote:
big_D wrote:
A world without Flash means a safer place for Apple users and means that Apple can brag more about their security, because their biggest weakness is no longer required.


Well I guess that is true for Microsoft and others too. Do Apple get anything financially or is HTML5 "open".

HTML5 is an open standard. However as Apple are the people who are putting the major development work behind the webkit engine which is becoming increasingly popular, especially on mobile devices, they get to 'guide' what gets adopted quickly from the HTML5 spec and what doesn't. So they do get something out of it, in business terms if not in a way that can be immediately quantified on the balance sheet. Basically, webkit's HTML5 support can be 'optimised' by Apple to show Apple devices at their best. Whereas they have no control whatsoever over flash, either at the strategic level (i.e. what it supports or doesn't) or at the level of doing stuff like specifying how the UI of apps will look.


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jonbwfc wrote:
Basically, webkit's HTML5 support can be 'optimised' by Apple to show Apple devices at their best.


Wow, that is something I did not know. What a turnaround if it comes to pass. For years Apple products have been optimised to run Apple software (iTunes, Quicktime, Logic etc) but sometime had problems with stuff like websites built for IE and plugins that newer worked well like Flash. Could the situation be reversed or will PC makers just fall in line with the new standard?

Interesting stuff.

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big_D wrote:
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Firefox won't play h.264 on any platform, ogg only. They won't buy a licence for playing h.264, as it is open sourced...

Then, to contradict that, they use Flash also on Linux - it is part of the default packaging on most Linux distributions, although purists will probably exclude it.


Yeah - they are using FlowPlayer on the Mac Platform. I’ve not tried it in Windows and Linux. I am not looking forward to recompiling the videos for yet another format and uploading those just so that the Open Source and Closed Source people can continue to play their political games.

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I wonder if it would be worth Apple's while to buy a controlling share in Abode?

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I wonder if it would be worth Apple's while to buy a controlling share in Abode?


Might be better buying into Adobe. ;)

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I wonder if it would be worth Apple's while to buy a controlling share in Abode?


Might be better buying into Adobe. ;)


If Apple bought Adobe, you can say goodbye to the Windows versions of Photoshop et al in the long run.

I can’t imagine moving their dev platform to XCode would be an easy job either.

This is worth a read too. Puts a different perspective on the spat. Apple are basically telling Adobe that their lack of support for OSX means that they won’t reciprocate with their new platform.

http://innerdaemon.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... -yourself/

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Want a a simple, single-paragraph on what the Apple/Adobe iPhone spat is all about?
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HeatherKay wrote:
ChurchCat wrote:
I wonder if it would be worth Apple's while to buy a controlling share in Abode?


Might be better buying into Adobe. ;)


Nah, Abode are actually a really nice chain of hotels headed up by Michael Caines (the chef, not the actor). They're really nice.

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paulzolo wrote:
If Apple bought Adobe, you can say goodbye to the Windows versions of Photoshop et al in the long run.

I somewhat doubt that to be honest with you. The same logic that says Adobe as they are now would be mad to kill the Mac OS version of Photoshop applies to an Apple-owned Adobe killing the Windows version of Photoshop. It would be basically throwing away money. And Apple do make software for windows. Admittedly not very well but they do do it when there's a good reason to.

I think if there was an Apple buyout of Adobe certain Adobe products would be for the chop - Flash almost certainly :) but possibly also Lightroom for example, because Apple would be more interested in selling those people Aperture. There would be rationalisation, basically. But Apple don't produce a competitor for Photoshop, so there's essentially no reason for them to mess with it. That's actually true of most of the CS suite in fact.

One thing I do know; if Apple took over Adobe, the one thing Photoshop would be the long run is less of a pain in the rear to licence, run, support etc...

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It just occurred to me.

No Flash means no Fat Pie!

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You don't. (8+(

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