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Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" film news
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Amnesia10
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Yes but the rate of return on a $500 million investment would need to be huge to justify 3D. If they abandoned 3D they could make it for considerably less and the returns will be marginally lower. The marginal rate of return of 3D may actually be negative on a really large investment. Look at clash of the Titans, it flopped because 3D could not over come the other problems with the film.
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Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:18 am |
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HeatherKay
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As The Hobbit is essentially a story of tweeness, with little actual action, and what little action there is being comic or in the dark, I can't see how 3D will work.
Then again, I'm not a 3D fan or a movie mogul...
Does anyone think Old Tom Bombadil will make an appearance in this film? He got dropped from LOTR.
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Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:25 am |
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timark_uk
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Are you really placing The Hobbit in the same league as the Clash of the Titans (remake)?!? (8+0 Have you read the book of the Hobbit? I personally think it's better than any of the Lord of the Rings books. Do you really think that Peter Jackson is gonna do a hatchet job on the material? That 500 million is to cover the cost of both films. You don't think the audiences will flock to a Hobbit 3D film? I know there's no certainties in the land of Hollywood, but this is as close to a certainty as we are likely to get to a Hollywood film making money. Don't forget there's also licensing money to be made from the films. I really don't see these films making a loss (and if they did they could just mark it up against Babylon 5 and carry on as normal). Mark
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Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:27 am |
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timark_uk
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Isn't he more integral in this film than in the other three? There's loads of stuff they could do with Smaug in 3D that'd look brill., I reckon. There's a lot riding on the TRON : Legacy 3D presentation before I can say if I'll see any other 3D films. Mark
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Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:30 am |
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Paul1965
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Hope not. As far as I remember he was some kind of annoying hopeless yokel, wasn't he? I think so too, though it's a long time since I read either. The Hobbit is very much a book for children and so has less waffle than LOTR which gets bogged down in endless stuff about past battles and characters' heritage that detracts from the main story. Jackson did a really good job on the script first and foremost and I bet Tom Bombadil was chopped out early on.
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Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:44 pm |
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l3v1ck
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That'll make it much harder to film. A lot of camera tricks were used in LOTR to make it looks as though teh hobbit actors were small (rather than relying on special effects). Those trick just won't work if you're filming in 3D.
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Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:06 pm |
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No. Not at all.  |  |  |  | Wikipedia wrote: Tom Bombadil's origins in the cosmology of Middle-earth were left vague by Tolkien. He calls himself the "Eldest" and the "Master". He claims to remember "the first raindrop and the first acorn", and "knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless — before the Dark Lord came from Outside." He does not neatly fit into the categories of beings Tolkien created. Speculative ideas about his true nature range from one of the Ainur, angelic beings (who came after the dark lord and shaped the earth), or God, who is called Eru Ilúvatar and "the One" in Tolkien's legendarium (the latter in The Lord of the Rings). This is reinforced when Frodo asks Goldberry just who Tom Bombadil is, and she responds by simply saying "He is" (much like the biblical statement about Yahweh, "I Am that I Am").
At the Council of Elrond, Tom Bombadil is referred to by Galdor as being unable to deal with a siege by Sauron "unless such power is in the earth itself", implying that the character may be a manifestation of Middle-earth's inherent properties. This connection explains Bombadil's seeming obliviousness to the transient concerns of mortals, as evidenced in Gandalf's concern that Tom would not understand the importance of the Ring, and hence lose it, if it were entrusted to him. The idea that Tom's songs are always "stronger", as he proclaims in his rhyme, as well as his title of Master, further suggest Bombadil is the warden or avatar of the nearly invincible aspects of the planet itself. |  |  |  |  |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Bombadil
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Amnesia10
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 |  |  |  | timark_uk wrote: Are you really placing The Hobbit in the same league as the Clash of the Titans (remake)?!? (8+0 Have you read the book of the Hobbit? I personally think it's better than any of the Lord of the Rings books. Do you really think that Peter Jackson is gonna do a hatchet job on the material? That 500 million is to cover the cost of both films. You don't think the audiences will flock to a Hobbit 3D film? I know there's no certainties in the land of Hollywood, but this is as close to a certainty as we are likely to get to a Hollywood film making money. Don't forget there's also licensing money to be made from the films. I really don't see these films making a loss (and if they did they could just mark it up against Babylon 5 and carry on as normal). Mark |  |  |  |  |
First of all. Peter Jackson is the best man for the Hobbit. It was pointless looking elsewhere anyway. His version will be excellent, but I cannot see any reasons why a 3D version will be so much better than a standard 2D version. The story itself is excellent and Jackson can be relied upon to do a good conversion to the big screen. Will the $200 Million extra that it will cost to do in 3D be fully recouped in extra ticket sales? The hobbit could raise close to a $1 billion in ticket sales in 2D but how much extra will they get from it being in 3D? That was my point.
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Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:39 pm |
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ProfessorF
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Mark's point was simply that as the future may hold a sudden (if unexpected) surge in popularity of 3D in the home as well as in the cinema, then it'd be crazy for them not to shoot it in 3D, or to bodge in post later down the line. Which, of course, costs extra not just for the tech hardware, but for the increase in camera dept. members/grips etc. Thinking about it, must be a proper ball ache.
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Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:43 pm |
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leeds_manc
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i think the effects in Lord of the Rings dated very quickly, so much so that by the time Return of the Jedi...King came out, it looked pants. They have to make The Hobbit cutting edge, and cutting edge is 3D  I'm really not excited about The Hobbit, it's not the most intersting of stories in my opinion. doesn't have the epic feel of LOTR.
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Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:04 pm |
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Amnesia10
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 |  |  |  | ProfessorF wrote: Mark's point was simply that as the future may hold a sudden (if unexpected) surge in popularity of 3D in the home as well as in the cinema, then it'd be crazy for them not to shoot it in 3D, or to bodge in post later down the line. Which, of course, costs extra not just for the tech hardware, but for the increase in camera dept. members/grips etc. Thinking about it, must be a proper ball ache. |  |  |  |  |
Yes the possibility of it being a success at home 3D would make it viable long term. Though that is highly dependant on 3D TV taking off.
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Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:41 pm |
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ProfessorF
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Hobbit leaving New Zealand? ClickySounds like a right royal barrel of monkeys. Choice highlights include: “Sir Peter Jackson has hit back at the Council of Trade Unions' claim that he is trying to set up the actors' union to take the blame for The Hobbit going overseas. Last night up to 1500 film technicians marched in Wellington over fears that the US$500 million film will be lost to another country. CTU president Helen Kelly today alluded that Jackson had helped organise it.” “POLICE CALLED OVER SAFETY FEARS A meeting of actors in Auckland tonight has been cancelled out of safety fears. NZ Actor's Equity spokeswoman Frances Walsh said the union had decided to call off the meeting due to rising tensions, including threatening behaviour towards actors from members of a protest march in Wellington last night. Outrageous Fortune star Robyn Malcolm had to be escorted by police from inner city restaurant Matterhorn after being intimidated by technical workers.” ““The difference is I’m a hobbit, you’re a hobbit, you come from America or England and you work on the same production, side by side, and we work under completely different terms and conditions. Is that fair?””
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Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:15 am |
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pcernie
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Bloody hell 
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Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:19 am |
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Paul1965
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Martin Freeman to play Bilbo Baggins in The HobbitMore here: BBC Clicky
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Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:55 am |
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timark_uk
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The Hobbit will actually be filmed in New Zealand, but there's something very unsavoury about the secret deal that's been struck between the government in that country and Warner Bros. ClickyMark
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Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:39 am |
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