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HeatherKay
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:13 pm Posts: 7262 Location: Here, but not all there.
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Ah, happy days. SCSI conflicts, whether or not to use a terminator and where. Boy, do I not miss that! 
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Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:28 am |
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forquare1
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:36 pm Posts: 5150 Location: /dev/tty0
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I don't have any Firewire peripherals, I do have USB ones though. For me, it's what gets the job done in a good performance:price ratio...
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Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:33 am |
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monkeyphonix
Occasionally has a life
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:31 pm Posts: 176
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No need to take it personally. Firewire on a PC was always slower than on a Mac. USB was faster on a PC than on a Mac. When Apple dropped Firewire in mainstream models the speed of the USB magically doubled. That is a fact not my personal opinion.
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Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:34 am |
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monkeyphonix
Occasionally has a life
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:31 pm Posts: 176
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I had a Power Mac in the late 90's which looked like this : http://images.craigslist.org/3m13ob3p0Z ... 301e22.jpgIt had a 2gb SCSI Seagate drive and SCSI CD drive and SCSI Zip Drive. After that time, progressively the speed of SCSI went through the roof, I don't see how firewire was ever a replacment. When you say for video do you mean cameras ?
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Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:38 am |
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big_D
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:25 pm Posts: 10691 Location: Bramsche
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Yep, my USB 2 drive was happily delivering 35-40Mb/s on my aging Athlon 64 machine, then I bought a first gen iMac 24" and it magically reduced its performance to 12MB/s on that machine! It was quicker to copy the data over the lan to the Windows machine and to the USB 2 device than to copy it locally... 
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Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:48 am |
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monkeyphonix
Occasionally has a life
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:31 pm Posts: 176
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No doubt Big_D. The good news is on my 2009 Macbook the speed is about 32-33 so its back up to where it should be.
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Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:49 am |
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HeatherKay
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:13 pm Posts: 7262 Location: Here, but not all there.
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I'm not, don't worry. I'm well aware that USB2 on older Mac models sucked. I'm old skool. USB for input devices, something more beefy for hard drives and stuff. 
_________________My Flickr | Snaptophobic BloggageHeather Kay: modelling details that matter. "Let my windows be open to receive new ideas but let me also be strong enough not to be blown away by them." - Mahatma Gandhi.
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Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:53 am |
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monkeyphonix
Occasionally has a life
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:31 pm Posts: 176
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My experience of Firewire is, often its like handling live snakes, very fond of blowing the ports up on motherboards and similar, even when connected powered down.
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Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:07 pm |
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HeatherKay
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:13 pm Posts: 7262 Location: Here, but not all there.
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I must be gifted then, because I have never ever had a problem in 9 or more years of using FW. USB, on the other hand... and don't get me started on those Black Arts of SCSI again! 
_________________My Flickr | Snaptophobic BloggageHeather Kay: modelling details that matter. "Let my windows be open to receive new ideas but let me also be strong enough not to be blown away by them." - Mahatma Gandhi.
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Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:16 pm |
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ProfessorF
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:56 pm Posts: 12030
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Apart from being much, much simpler to use - hot swappable, no more termination issues, smaller ports, faster, networkable, no ID assignments or conflicts, bus powered, longer cable runs. Yes, the advantages are lost on me... Well that's a part of it, but also for capturing from decks, handling video to and from drives - if you're on a Mac, then FW still maintains a better constant throughput of data. eSata is better still. Used to regularly be shuffling gigabytes of video around for various things for work. USB 2 has it's place, but it's not a replacement for what FW offers, IMHO.
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Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:40 pm |
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monkeyphonix
Occasionally has a life
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:31 pm Posts: 176
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Firewire is quicker than SCSI ? Not SCSI of the past ten years no. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCSI
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Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:03 pm |
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ProfessorF
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:56 pm Posts: 12030
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*sigh* FW800 will go to 3200 M/Bits over a 100 metre cable. Show me the SCSI interface that can match that. SCSI was a PITA from day one, FW is more versatile. SCSI is great for fast data transfer over short distances on devices you're not wanting to connect/disconnect on a regular basis. Like server hard drives. SCSI is by no measure a good external interface any more.
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Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:28 pm |
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finlay666
Spends far too much time on here
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:40 pm Posts: 4876 Location: Newcastle
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e-sata ftw  Now all I need is an e-sata port...... 
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Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:55 pm |
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monkeyphonix
Occasionally has a life
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:31 pm Posts: 176
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Prof, first of all you start rambling on about video, next you are talking about external interface only. You said Firewire is quicker, I said no its not. If you want to go off on a giant tangent then we could debate if toast is better than crumpets. http://www.barefeats.com/hard35.htmlhttp://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=7302(that's an old one just for you)
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Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:33 pm |
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ProfessorF
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:56 pm Posts: 12030
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Sorry, did I lose you? What does SCSI have to offer over FW then? Why did we turn our backs on it as a popular external connection? Cool, I stand corrected. My last exposure to SCSI was an internal RAID card in an old G3. Haven't had the need for it since.
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Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:04 pm |
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