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t used to be that you had to have a IQ of 120 (top 20%) and above to get a degree . Now you need IQ of 100 to get a degree. Now tell me that degrees have not been dumbed down.

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Last IQ test I took I scored about 126, 127. Shame IQ scores aren't linked to earnings.

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Last IQ test I took I scored about 126, 127. Shame IQ scores aren't linked to earnings.

Preaccident mine was around 170. Post accident 118. Big fall, but if I had been normal before I would be a vegetable now, with a drop like that.

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t used to be that you had to have a IQ of 120 (top 20%) and above to get a degree . Now you need IQ of 100 to get a degree. Now tell me that degrees have not been dumbed down.

They haven't

IQ is pretty meaningless in a way to relate an arbitrary figure to someone's ability to do well in a degree

Considering I didn't do a degree in spatial awareness, I'm not surprised.

Also the fact that a lot more less technical degree have become available can count towards it

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Also the fact that a lot more less technical degree have become available can count towards it

That I can accept. Though my original assertion could still be true. I once had a chat with the Dean of Science at Sussex University who mentioned that many universities have foundation year course, because so many students are not up to standard with the maths etc to complete the courses. They spend that first year effectively reteaching the A levels.

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Amnesia10 wrote:
That I can accept. Though my original assertion could still be true. I once had a chat with the Dean of Science at Sussex University who mentioned that many universities have foundation year course, because so many students are not up to standard with the maths etc to complete the courses. They spend that first year effectively reteaching the A levels.

Is that to say that someone that didn't study maths at A Level shouldn't be allowed to learn it at university?

Or it could be that the Higher education is poor, not the university teaching

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I'd say that if they haven't got the maths at the level required, they shouldn't be on the course.

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finlay666 wrote:
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That I can accept. Though my original assertion could still be true. I once had a chat with the Dean of Science at Sussex University who mentioned that many universities have foundation year course, because so many students are not up to standard with the maths etc to complete the courses. They spend that first year effectively reteaching the A levels.

Is that to say that someone that didn't study maths at A Level shouldn't be allowed to learn it at university?

Or it could be that the Higher education is poor, not the university teaching

It was an indiuctment of the A level teaching. I think that the universities did their best to maintain standards.

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Amnesia10 wrote:
finlay666 wrote:
Also the fact that a lot more less technical degree have become available can count towards it

That I can accept. Though my original assertion could still be true. I once had a chat with the Dean of Science at Sussex University who mentioned that many universities have foundation year course, because so many students are not up to standard with the maths etc to complete the courses. They spend that first year effectively reteaching the A levels.


What is interesting is that Art/Design HND/Degrees have had such a foundation course for many decades. It’s one of the rites of passage, especially for school leavers. You learn the discipline of higher education, as well as getting exposure to the subject and are encouraged to find your strengths and specialisen. BY the end of kine, I found I had an aptitude towards graphic design and typography, so that’s the direction I took. Given that this subject area is oft considered less intellectual and academic, it strikes me as odd that such care is taken to filter students prior to higher education. Consider that subjects which are deemed important - sciences, maths, etc. appear not to have such a streaming process. You go from school straight into a degree. No real pre-filtering done other than the interview. Maybe the art school foundation idea needs to be more widespread. Want to do physics? Why not spend a year finding out which areas you are actually good at (and which schools are poorly equipped to expose you to) before embarking on a degree?

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I'd say that if they haven't got the maths at the level required, they shouldn't be on the course.


Say I did chemistry, physics and engineering for A Levels

So I couldn't do maths without having to show competency by a foundation course?

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finlay666 wrote:
ProfessorF wrote:
I'd say that if they haven't got the maths at the level required, they shouldn't be on the course.


Say I did chemistry, physics and engineering for A Levels

So I couldn't do maths without having to show competency by a foundation course?

You'd be struggling like anything if you didn't.

In fact, you'd be struggling with Physics if you didn't have Maths at A level - or you would when I was at college. I had a friend did Physics, Chemistry and Biology at A level. He had to take special classes to get the maths required to do physics. Science without maths is like reading without language.

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In fact, you'd be struggling with Physics if you didn't have Maths at A level - or you would when I was at college. I had a friend did Physics, Chemistry and Biology at A level. He had to take special classes to get the maths required to do physics. Science without maths is like reading without language.

When I did the first year of a physics degree, there were both pure and applied maths classes on the physics curriculum. The pure maths class was at 8.30AM on a Monday. Needless to say, I didn't finish the degree...

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