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okenobi
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:59 pm Posts: 4932 Location: Sestriere, Piemonte, Italia
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 |  |  |  | timark_uk wrote: Vocabulary has no influence on your accent. Pronunciation may have an influence. An accent is how you sound when you say something, not what you are saying. You can speak proper Queen's English but still have an accent whilst you do it. And it's not just you, Oke, that's seemingly got confused about this in this thread. Mark |  |  |  |  |
I know what an accent is. My question was, how do *you* define "well spoken". Pronunciation and vocabulary are inextricably linked. Heavily regional dialects included an accent component AND a vocabulary component. In my experience, whilst people often may have a softer, mixed, or more neutral accent, they usually retain their own vocabulary. I'm not aware of having met or heard anyone who had a full and varied vocabulary, but spoke in a regional accent. THat might sound ridiculous to you, but that's my experience. My American accent (unless deliberately put on) does not appear over night when I go to the States. However, my vocabulary does change. Natives understand me and never question my accent or country of origin. I have to actually concentrate to sound British. To me, that says that the words we use are more important than how we say them, which agrees with your point about having an accent whilst speaking the Queen's English. But I contest that fact with the point that to most people the "Queen's English" means received pronunciation, which is an accent (or lack thereof, depending on your perspective/education) probably more so than a vocabulary set.
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Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:58 pm |
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timark_uk
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Rubbish. Just because someone can pronounce correctly doesn't automatically mean they have a greater vocabulary than someone who doesn't pronounce correctly. Mark
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Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:02 pm |
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tombolt
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My accent used to be RP, but since I left school, it's softened a bit and got a bit more Dorset. Not much though.
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Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:22 pm |
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timark_uk
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Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:28 pm |
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HeatherKay
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Received Pronunciation. It's what was "preferred" by the BBC until quite recently. It's a mode of speech which apes that of the royal family and other types.
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Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:32 pm |
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timark_uk
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I just made the association and came here to say I now realise what it is. (8+) I think that Received Pronunciation is such an outdated mode of speech. When I hear it on the radio/TV/Internet I immediately want to close my ears, it seems so false/forced to me. Mark
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Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:44 pm |
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tombolt
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:38 am Posts: 2967 Location: Dorchester, Dorset
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Not when you're speaking it, but when I see/hear old recordings of myself as a kid, I do cringe a bit.
I met up with some school friends not long ago and they said my accent had gone all west country. Speak to my father-in-law and he would say I had a posh accent. You can't win!
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Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:04 pm |
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TheFrenchun
Officially Mrs saspro
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Blackburn! with a twinge of liverpuldian cheerfulness !
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Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:05 pm |
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ProfessorF
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:56 pm Posts: 12030
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It's the corn stalk and flagon on zider that gives it away nowadays though. 
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Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:05 pm |
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TheFrenchun
Officially Mrs saspro
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I have a jetsetter accent 
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Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:08 pm |
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tombolt
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Sarah's banned me from the zoider for a bit because it's too fattening.
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Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:18 pm |
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timark_uk
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Aww, you're so nice to me. Mark
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Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:29 pm |
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rustybucket
I haven't seen my friends in so long
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... and most definitely not a hint of posh.
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Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:31 pm |
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okenobi
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Agreed, it doesn't automatically mean it. But it IS an indicator, whether you like it or not. At least it is in my limited backwater of a county.
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Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:36 pm |
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KindaWobbly
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I read something by Stuart Maconie recently where he described the Northampton accent as "a sort of yokel Cockney", so I suppose how I must sound (at least to someone from Wigan). Of course, in reality, I don't have an accent and it's the rest of the world that speaks in a funny way. 
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