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If I had to guess, the gangs would just come up with a stronger product than what's now 'average', or whatever the government would be selling.

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If I had to guess, the gangs would just come up with a stronger product than what's now 'average', or whatever the government would be selling.


There are already many 'brands' that the government would have to compete with. :lol:

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pcernie wrote:
If I had to guess, the gangs would just come up with a stronger product than what's now 'average', or whatever the government would be selling.


There are already many 'brands' that the government would have to compete with. :lol:


And will it have that authentic 'just been pulled out of someone's drawers' smell? :lol:

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hifidelity2 wrote:
Personally I say legalise drugs

- We would be able to ensure that they were pure and not tained
- We could tax them so make money rather than gangs
- A large percentage of many gangs income comes from drugs - if that is removed it reduces the incentive to become a gang member
- Some of the "I will try it as its illegal / naughtlt" factor will be taken away so possibly reducing consumption
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- we have tried banning them for decades now, spent billons and made not one iota of difference so lets try something new

Yes the war on drugs has been a waste of money.

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- we have tried banning them for decades now, spent billons and made not one iota of difference so lets try something new

I would dispute your assertion that we have made no difference.

I would contend that the war on drugs has made the problem one hell of a lot worse.

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http://gawker.com/5805928/the-underground-website-where-you-can-buy-any-drug-imaginable

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I wonder if these bitcoins are already being used for laundering and currency exchange. This TOR thing must have the attention of many agencies and ministries.

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I still refer you back to my issues about the British population. We are not the Dutch.


I’d agree with your observations. Most countries have a problem of some kind or another, but we do have this competitive drinking culture. We will never get the “café culture” we see on the continent because our society just doesn’t get it. As you have said, its bad enough when it’s just booze. Add in other drugs to the mix, and the problems will escalate, as will the burden on the NHS.

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I still refer you back to my issues about the British population. We are not the Dutch.


I’d agree with your observations. Most countries have a problem of some kind or another, but we do have this competitive drinking culture. We will never get the “café culture” we see on the continent because our society just doesn’t get it. As you have said, its bad enough when it’s just booze. Add in other drugs to the mix, and the problems will escalate, as will the burden on the NHS.


Is our culture not just a response to the restrictions imposed on us, a rebellion of sorts?

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I still refer you back to my issues about the British population. We are not the Dutch.


I’d agree with your observations. Most countries have a problem of some kind or another, but we do have this competitive drinking culture. We will never get the “café culture” we see on the continent because our society just doesn’t get it. As you have said, its bad enough when it’s just booze. Add in other drugs to the mix, and the problems will escalate, as will the burden on the NHS.


The Dutch are going to be closing the coffee shops to non-members, the shops will have a limited membership of 1500 to boot. This is apparently a move in response to the problems caused by foreign tourists.
The plans are being introduced in the south, moving north as time goes on. So if you're harbouring the notion that you'd like to be sat in Amsterdam watching the world go by smoking a spliff, jump to it.

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The Dutch are going to be closing the coffee shops to non-members, the shops will have a limited membership of 1500 to boot. This is apparently a move in response to the problems caused by foreign tourists.
The plans are being introduced in the south, moving north as time goes on. So if you're harbouring the notion that you'd like to be sat in Amsterdam watching the world go by smoking a spliff, jump to it.

Since most of the problem users are foreigners then this makes sense for the Dutch to implement.

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The Dutch are going to be closing the coffee shops to non-members, the shops will have a limited membership of 1500 to boot. This is apparently a move in response to the problems caused by foreign tourists.
The plans are being introduced in the south, moving north as time goes on. So if you're harbouring the notion that you'd like to be sat in Amsterdam watching the world go by smoking a spliff, jump to it.

Since most of the problem users are foreigners then this makes sense for the Dutch to implement.


'Problem users'? What sort of problems are they creating? I'm guessing the problems will be related to alcohol and other drugs rather than what is sold in the actual coffee shops.

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'Problem users'? What sort of problems are they creating? I'm guessing the problems will be related to alcohol and other drugs rather than what is sold in the actual coffee shops.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392205/Dutch-ban-foreigners-cannabis-coffee-shops.html

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The Dutch are going to be closing the coffee shops to non-members, the shops will have a limited membership of 1500 to boot. This is apparently a move in response to the problems caused by foreign tourists.
The plans are being introduced in the south, moving north as time goes on. So if you're harbouring the notion that you'd like to be sat in Amsterdam watching the world go by smoking a spliff, jump to it.

Since most of the problem users are foreigners then this makes sense for the Dutch to implement.


'Problem users'? What sort of problems are they creating? I'm guessing the problems will be related to alcohol and other drugs rather than what is sold in the actual coffee shops.

It was the fact that they were attracting so many criminals usually to smuggle it somewhere else.

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